Episode 45: Standout Performances at Ironman Brazil, 70.3 Valencia & Cebu, Aero chat, and Ironman Texas Predictions

Episode 45: Standout Performances at Ironman Brazil, 70.3 Valencia & Cebu, Aero chat, and Ironman Texas Predictions

In this episode, the hosts discuss their recent training and upcoming races. They also delve into the topic of aerodynamics in triathlon, particularly the use of different water bottle setups. The conversation then shifts to race results, including Ironman South Africa and 70.3 Valencia & Cebu, where tough conditions affected the run times. The hosts speculate on the performance of top athletes and highlight standout performances. 

WTF: The lack of doping testing in the T100 series and the controversy surrounding the switch from Gatorade to Morton Hydration as the official nutrition sponsor for Ironman races. The conversation concludes with a preview of the upcoming Ironman Texas race and predictions for the winners.

Takeaways

Listening to your body and taking time for recovery is important in avoiding burnout.

Aerodynamics play a significant role in triathlon performance, and athletes are constantly experimenting with different setups.

Race conditions, such as wind and heat, can greatly impact performance and result in slower run times.

Top athletes, like Daniela Ryf, may prioritize different goals and strategies in their races.

The Scandinavian athletes are showing strong performances in the early part of the year.

Controversy surrounding the lack of doping testing in the T100 series

Switch from Gatorade to Mortal Hydration as the official nutrition sponsor for Ironman races

Preview and predictions for the upcoming Ironman Texas race

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Training Updates
07:24 Exploring Aerodynamics in Triathlon
16:13 Impact of Tough Conditions on Race Results
32:40 Controversy Surrounding Doping Testing in the T100 Series
41:23 Switching Nutrition Sponsors: Gatorade to Morton Hydration

Transcript

Jenna-Caer (00:01.208)
Here we are with another Triathlon podcast back again to bring you some insight into the pro racing, have a little fun chatting about some of the odd and entertaining things going on in Triathlon. There have been a few discussions that got a few ruffles or feathers ruffled this week, but we will dive into all of that. Of course, race results and what's going on with the crew. Join us always with Josh and Fede. Let's jump into how things are going in your guys's world. Josh, how are things going?

Josh Vernon (00:31.657)
Things have been busy, hectic, uh, recover wise right there where I want to be. I took a couple actually extra days last week, just kind of in between races. And then we had the whole marathon weekend of everything going on. And I just kind of felt like I need a reset and I've got some time before my next race and, and felt really good after taking a day or two last week. I think.

Jenna-Caer (00:52.588)
Thank you.

Josh Vernon (00:59.561)
I think I worked out like five days out on the seven, but I actually took a couple of days for the first time in a long time. And as we were talking before the show, I got on my bike to ride outside when we finally got some nice weather this weekend. And then it started raining halfway through the ride, but it was like the best hour, hour and a half ride I've had outside in a long time. And it was actually pushing better numbers than I was pushing at Oceanside and pretty decent climbing. And it's like, wow, this is what a nice

Jenna-Caer (01:24.607)
cause

Josh Vernon (01:28.585)
pair of fresh legs feels like. And just, I got that love and everything back that you kind of have in that lull after a race. And it felt good to get out, felt good to be training. I actually went and swam 2000 right before we hopped on tonight. So got back in the pool, signed up for a sprint try in about a month and gonna hop in to an event down the road here, actually in Hopkinson where the marathon starts.

Jump in there, did that one last year, and that'll kind of be a nice little warmup for my next 70.3, which is June 9th. So back at it, we got a nice little build here and see if I can push some more power going into Western Massachusetts.

Jenna-Caer (02:15.62)
Awesome. Sounds like you're definitely getting that recovery in and that's just it. Like that mental, physical fatigue of the travel, the event, and then you backed it up with another weekend of events. It's so good that you're actually listening to your body and waiting for that time where you're actually feeling mentally fresh and ready to get after it. So many athletes just try to push right after the race, they're drained. They're not feeling like they don't really want to be doing those sessions and push through anyways. And that is a fast way to burn out in this crazy sport.

Josh Vernon (02:44.497)
Yeah, it was a long winter of work for Oceanside and it all paid off, but it is important, like you said, to listen to your body. And at the same time, don't just like throw it all out. I was still very good about my nutrition. I was still very good about my hydration and mobility and did some things around the house and things like that to keep going. And then once I felt like, all right, time to get at it again, it felt good. And that's kind of where you want to be mindset wise.

Jenna-Caer (02:56.515)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (03:12.593)
Happy with how everything's going. I'm excited to hear how Fed's doing and seeing if we're gonna have another one getting back out there and racing soon. Sounds like he might've found something he wants to jump into.

Jenna-Caer (03:25.068)
When's the comeback, Feday?

Fede (03:27.854)
Hey guys, good to be here. So I am training has been going okay, I guess. Swimming's been good. And when was it? Sunday. So yesterday was my first ever, you know, jog one minute, walk one minute and I felt like a golden retriever. I just wanted to sprint for the minute but I just kept it, I just

After that, I was like, hey, this is my first run in a few weeks, so I'm just going to jump in the recovery boots and do the theragun and everything. I don't want to injure myself again. But yeah, like Josh mentioned, and I was talking to you guys before the show, there is a TT race, just like a bike race.

Thankfully my bike now is UCI legal so I won't be needing to do any tweaks there. Maybe just take out the front water bottle cage and that will be it. But yeah, it's an 8K TT so that's like a 5 mile TT. Like 2 hours from the city. Yeah, like 3 weeks from now. So that might be my first comeback event.

Jenna-Caer (04:43.396)
Beautiful. Fantastic.

Fede (04:53.79)
Now I'm just kicking out on all the aero gains I can get because obviously fitness is not necessarily there right now, but I'm just gonna need to be narrow and aero for that race. Yeah, it's exciting. I mean, I'm happy to be back and training again. Just taking it one day at a time. With a lot of FOMO now that Texas is this weekend.

A buddy of mine called me and he was like, uh, I started to bring this up. I know you're not racing, so can I just borrow your bike box? And I was like, ah, fine. But yeah, exactly. Yeah. I was like, oh yeah, fine. You can have it. Uh, but yeah, happy, happy to be training again. What about you, Jenna? What's been happening in your world?

Jenna-Caer (05:22.412)
Thank you.

Josh Vernon (05:30.429)
Hahaha!

Josh Vernon (05:34.018)
Uhhh...

Jenna-Caer (05:35.672)
Just rub a little salt in there. Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (05:42.692)
Oh

Jenna-Caer (05:49.108)
Yeah, slowly recovering from the travel and event week and all that fun stuff. I, uh, I forgot I've got a race this weekend, so just realized that, um, I guess in time, you know, the funniest part was, you know, I realized it. I got an email about package pickup.

Josh Vernon (06:00.977)
What?

Fede (06:01.178)
Classic. Awesome.

Jenna-Caer (06:09.984)
And even worse is the package pickup is in my office building. So I, if I had not gotten that email, there would have been like a bunch of people walking through my office. I would have been, oh shit, signed up for that race. So I'm racing a 10K this weekend. Um, my least favorite distance across the board. So that should be fun. I've only done one 10K ever because it's just that super painful threshold plus the whole time. So this will, this will be interesting.

Fede (06:35.105)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (06:40.038)
So mentally need to prepare for that, that bit of suffering, but it'll be good to kind of see how the training has been going. Definitely a bit of detraining from the last couple weeks of chaos, but go out there and see what I can do. But

What you were talking about arrow that I have got a new toy that I'm playing with that I won't mention yet, but I am super excited about it's An arrow sensor that you can stick on your bike to see what your CDA is kind of in real time while you're riding and you can do some at home testing instead of Well having to spend a few thousand dollars to go to a wind tunnel. So you guys all know I'm cheap with a lot of this stuff like nutrition. So being able to test at home is

Jenna-Caer (07:24.466)
here I'm gonna go out there tomorrow and test it out and I've got a new bike coming as well so I'm gonna do some comparison testing between my current bike and the new one coming up and just generally geek out on aerodynamics so I am super stoked for that but I'll let you guys know more when I actually test it out and have some fun with it. Yeah!

Fede (07:41.748)
Nice.

Josh Vernon (07:45.649)
So it seems like there's a lot of like new aero testing being done in all of triathlon right now. And especially with the no bottles down the tri kits and all the different changes. And the more and more I look, the more and more people who are riding with their regular water bottles up front between the arms. And it's interesting now how that's become more and more popular and even before the regulations, it's like, oh, maybe they're just doing it on a long ride. And I think we've talked about this before,

Jenna-Caer (07:53.944)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (08:07.492)
Mm-hmm.

Josh Vernon (08:15.697)
Now you're starting to see like the Aero bottle, the regular bottle being set up with an Aero like contraption in front of it now too, in the between the arms. And there are different bike setups that are being made for that. So you don't have the straw and the Aero bottle and the magnetic system and that profile design type or X-Lab type set up, but it's a precision fuel and hydration bottle or it's a Morton bottle and stuff that anyone can throw in. And...

And I actually have been playing around with myself because I know I can get a full liter and I know how much I'm getting nutrition wise and it's not gonna spill out of the straw and out of the little refill hole and things like that. So I don't know, what are your takes on some of that stuff you guys have been seeing and what are your plans?

Jenna-Caer (08:56.758)
Yeah.

Fede (09:05.163)
That is a great question.

Jenna-Caer (09:05.352)
Yeah, personally...

Jenna-Caer (09:10.372)
Yeah, with that one, personally, I wouldn't be using the regular bottle because you just have to start to play with this stuff more. The increase in drag when you're trying to drink from a bottle like that, even down a narrow position, like you're winging out there so that you have to take a sip. That is all just straight in through the wind. When we're at the point where people are putting bladders down their jersey to have that kind of CDA hit doesn't make a ton of sense for me. There's definitely some benefits, like you mentioned, for amateur athletes.

spilling out through the straw and splashing everywhere because that definitely is a pain in the butt being able to fit more in there so I think if you're doing like a super hot and humid race like we've seen with a lot of the pros lately that may be a good thing for it and then you can also get into some of the insulated water bottles so that it does stay cooler for a little bit longer so I can see for that reason doing something like it but if you're on a flat and fast course and reasonable temperatures I'd say go arrow bottle you can stay arrow while drinking it

And they've just shown with a lot of those, those BTAs are more aerodynamic than if you're to have anything else. So yeah, be curious to ask if you have the pros that do use those ones.

Josh Vernon (10:21.577)
I think Finella is one of them.

Fede (10:23.422)
Yep, everywhere.

Jenna-Caer (10:23.656)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, and you got to wonder if there's some sponsorship stuff in there too, like having to have the branding on there

Fede (10:31.022)
Hmm. Yeah, yeah. I know for a fact, yeah, I know for a fact that a BTA system has little to no aero penalty regarding the bottle. You can have like a regular water bottle or like an aero one, BTA, and shouldn't be a problem. What I think is going to be starting to happen a bit more is do you guys remember like a couple years ago, T.O. back in Kona had two

Jenna-Caer (10:33.56)
What do you think, Fede?

Fede (11:00.162)
BTA on his like, like he had two water bottles. And that I think now that the Camelback is banned, we're gonna start to see more athletes do that because that also, you know, functions as a way of closing the gap between the chest and the handlebars, the aero bars.

Jenna-Caer (11:20.62)
See ya later.

Fede (11:25.786)
And I think that that's going to have a huge impact in terms of aerodynamics. And, but yeah, between the arms, there's no aeropenelty. You can choose whichever water bottle is better for you and most comfortable. And at the end of the day, usually what's most comfortable is the fastest for you. So just stick with that. That would be my, that would be my take on that.

Josh Vernon (11:50.057)
Jenna brings up a good point. I think the actual bottle itself is not going to be where you see the loss in CDA it's when you get up to actually take the drink and lose the arrow position. Whereas with the straw system, you aren't really moving too, too much. And potentially if at all. Um, but yeah, I guess if you're on a flat course.

it definitely would make sense to stick with the Aero bottle and the straw as opposed to the regular bottle. Whereas if you're on a climbing course and in utter weather, then maybe you're not going to lose as much if you can find time to drink out of it that way.

Jenna-Caer (12:26.292)
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's fine. There's so much. It's funny. This is definitely a time where aerodynamics has been in the forefront of everyone's mind more than ever before. I think it's finally starting to reach a point where people realize how much free speed is out there. Like a couple points in your CDA is minutes faster over an Ironman and that's not being any fitter. Like, and sometimes it's even in a more comfortable position. Like it is crazy to benefits, but

Jenna-Caer (12:56.186)
So you guys might have to hear quite a few aero updates as I test different positions and equipment and stuff and see what's faster, what's not, and have some fun with that. So super stoked for it. Yeah. Sneeta, I tried to do an initial test and one of the things is you have to keep a fairly steady speed and you do kind of out and backs to keep the conditions fairly similar. But it was 25 mile per hour winds with 50 mile per hour gusts. So one way was super easy, the other way I was dying.

Josh Vernon (13:06.281)
Bring it on.

Jenna-Caer (13:29.248)
I did it after a hard run and I was just like nope, it's just no, pain. So we'll have to wait for a calmer day to give that a better test. Anyways let's hope.

Josh Vernon (13:42.214)
Yeah, for sure.

Jenna-Caer (13:44.324)
Let's roll into it. Speaking of speed and aerodynamics and all that fun stuff, the pros are definitely spending a lot of time, money, and effort to dial those in. So Fede, why don't you tell us what's going on in the racing world?

Fede (13:58.754)
Hmm. Yeah, so for the first time in like a gazillion years, can you guys hear me?

Jenna-Caer (14:02.704)
Hey Thaddeus, you're on mute.

Jenna-Caer (14:11.492)
Hello?

Fede (14:12.578)
Hello?

Josh Vernon (14:19.261)
Lost your fed.

Fede (14:19.406)
Hello, hello.

Jenna-Caer (14:20.739)
Yeah.

Fede (14:24.482)
Can you guys, can you guys hear me?

Fede (14:40.974)
Can you, all right, you guys are?

Jenna-Caer (14:46.536)
We may not have some race results.

Josh Vernon (14:53.009)
There's a lot of them too.

Jenna-Caer (14:53.281)
If any of you can hear us, we can't hear you.

Fede (14:57.207)
What about now?

Josh Vernon (15:11.657)
That's crazy.

Fede (15:16.465)
Can you guys hear me now?

Josh Vernon (15:22.765)
I have them pulled up.

Jenna-Caer (15:22.948)
And let it start.

Jenna-Caer (15:27.008)
Okay.

Fede (15:31.854)
Hello, hello.

Josh Vernon (15:32.581)
It's crazy how many- ah, there you are.

Jenna-Caer (15:34.508)
There we go.

Fede (15:35.682)
Oh, there we go. Can you hear me good now?

Josh Vernon (15:40.249)
Yeah, we can hear you much better. We can actually hear you. Ha ha.

Jenna-Caer (15:40.416)
I can hear you now.

Fede (15:42.274)
Perfect. Nice. Awesome.

Jenna-Caer (15:47.174)
Yeah, oh my goodness. Okay. So jump in.

Josh Vernon (15:52.786)
You're on.

Starved Cebu, Valencia, or South Africa? Take your pick.

Fede (15:55.83)
Yeah.

Well, I wanted to start with South Africa because for the first time in like a gazillion years we've had a swim that has that wasn't shortened in Ironman South Africa. So that was that was good.

Jenna-Caer (16:09.388)
Yeah!

Jenna-Caer (16:13.376)
Anything is possible.

Fede (16:15.954)
Yeah, that was very good to see and you know it's an amazing race and it was so... Finally we got to see a full Ironman down in South Africa and you know a guy who was a former Kona age group winner turned professional Rasmus Svedningsen from Sweden. He took the win, the victory in eight hours and three minutes.

And now this just goes to show how tough the conditions were because 801 for a victory now seems to be slow. And yeah, it was, you know, he ran a 251, but he's an amazing, amazing swim biker. So kudos to Rasmus. Second place from Denmark, Mathias Petersen. And...

On third place coming out of, well not nowhere, but you know having from a crazy schedule, Cam Wurf. He was bike racing and then he was like, you know what? I'm just gonna throw in a little recovery Ironman and get my cone slot and you know go home.

Jenna-Caer (17:31.028)
Yeah, he had the most insane eight days. He did April 14th, the Amstel Gold Race, bike racing, April 17th, Le Flesh-Boulon, I'm sure I'm saying that terribly, and then on the 21st, Ironman South Africa with a podium and Kona qualification. Like, oh, that is absolutely insane.

Fede (17:46.67)
Crazy.

Yeah.

Josh Vernon (17:50.629)
And he showed up like two days before the race. Like he barely got there in time to get to, get to registration and check in. And then he was leading. I mean, he was leading at a point on the run and got, and then finally he got passed and held on to third.

Jenna-Caer (17:54.276)
Thank you.

Fede (17:59.682)
Yeah?

Fede (18:05.53)
Nothing can stop Cam. Amazing performance by Cam Wurf. On the girl side we had from Spain, Marta Sanchez taking the win. And then from the Netherlands, Didi Diedrichs. And from Germany, Laura Zimmermann. It's good to see her with a strong performance. And the winner was 9 hours 15 minutes again.

This just shows how tough the conditions were in South Africa. And you know, when conditions are tough on an Ironman race, I mean, Jenna, you did a, you have done a couple of tough Ironman races. It just means that much, even though the time is slower, you have to earn every single step of the way.

Jenna-Caer (18:47.232)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (18:55.328)
Absolutely.

Josh Vernon (18:55.697)
I mean, look at the day Daniela Reef had. I mean, she, I mean, one of her worst performances in an Ironman in a long time.

Jenna-Caer (18:59.604)
Yeah.

Fede (19:03.178)
Yep.

Jenna-Caer (19:05.196)
You know, it seems like she's just living life and having some fun these days and kind of that retirement tour going around and you know, it's got to be nice to have a little bit more balance. But I wonder how, if it's hard mentally kind of, you know, you're the best in the world for so long, you're coming out to a race now, I wonder what kind of headspace she's in, like just enjoy these last few races or this sucks not winning.

Fede (19:23.339)
Hmm.

Fede (19:28.205)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (19:28.441)
I think it definitely sounded like she'd been battling a glute injury is what I think I read that she posted about and she had to validate her knee spot. And I think that was kind of mission number one when she knew she wasn't in top form. And she got that accomplished, which was kind of what got her to the finish line, I think. I got to finish this race and validate. And she did that and that was probably goal number one. And now she's already talking about, can I get fit?

Fede (19:42.798)
Mmm.

Jenna-Caer (19:50.284)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (19:56.701)
for niece and that's now her next priority and stay healthy and be fit for that. So I think you're right. I think at the same time, she wants to go on this tour and say goodbye to everything. But what I hope niece is that song, that swan song that we thought it was gonna be for Young last year.

Fede (20:16.822)
Yeah, hopefully.

Jenna-Caer (20:17.4)
How good would that be? She's just inspired so many people and really brought the women's racing up to a new level. So it'd be very cool to see her. Have a great day, niece.

Fede (20:27.794)
Yeah, that would be incredible to see. And hopefully she is healthy. And well, we know Daniela, and when she prepares for an event and she's fit and ready, we can count her out. Like she's gonna be, I think she's gonna be ready when Nies comes to show us what she can do in that course.

Jenna-Caer (20:39.896)
Thank you.

Jenna-Caer (20:49.233)
Love to see it.

Fede (20:52.291)
Another race that happened over the weekend, which I'm very curious about, because the times were a little shady on the run, was 70.3 Valencia. And we have an undefeated 70.3 athlete, Leo Brejr from France, taking the win. And second place we had from Germany Jan Strattmann. And on third place, another German, Janik Schalow.

Schoffler, sorry, Januk Schoffler. But the run course seemed to me a little short because there were a lot and I'm saying a lot of athletes who run 110, 19, 111. So yeah, I don't think if you finish 25th place on the pros and you run a 110 that the course is, you know, set right.

Jenna-Caer (21:48.768)
You mean 25th place and all those men are running like best ever times like Brownlee and Ferdino and Gomez battling each other out?

Fede (21:53.041)
Yeah.

Exactly, yeah, 1-10. From first place to sixth place, everybody was 1-9, 1-10. And then, you know, we have, let's see, 20th place runner 1-8, 1-08. 40th place runner 1-10, so yeah, I don't... Yeah, maybe it was like a K and a half short or something. Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (22:24.248)
And Leo Brugger, though, he's just so good over the 70.3 distance. Like, he just gets it done.

Fede (22:24.403)
But yeah.

Fede (22:28.91)
Hmm. Yeah, just a class act. And on the girl side, we had from Denmark, the Danish, all the Scandinavians are showing a very strong first half of the year fitness. Laura Madsen took the win in 409, then Lena Melfe from Germany, and then another German, Caroline

the podium in Valencia. Laura Philippe came fourth, which was, you know, not, yeah, it was a bit surprising because Laura, she's usually right there. But then again, Philippe, her partner and coach is usually very meticulous with preparations and everything. So maybe, maybe Laura is taking a slower build for the year. And this is just like a tune up race for something greater.

Jenna-Caer (23:01.856)
Yeah.

Fede (23:26.538)
because that's the way these guys work. And it wouldn't surprise me if we see her in a couple of 7.3s later in the year and she's winning all of those.

Josh Vernon (23:37.673)
And she ran two or three minutes faster than the top three. So I mean, she was moving towards that top three on the run. So I think she just ran out of time.

Jenna-Caer (23:38.317)
Yeah, definitely.

Fede (23:48.738)
Absolutely, absolutely.

Jenna-Caer (23:49.272)
Yeah, and interestingly, she's on the Team 100 series, so she's gonna be battling some of the big names very, very soon. Be curious to see what kind of form she is in the next Team 100 race. Not a ton of time.

Fede (24:01.714)
Yeah, yeah, no, she ran a 1.19. There were only two female athletes who broke the, the 80 minute barrier. And Laura was one of those, um, a lot of racing this weekend. We had 70.3 Philippines. Um, and this race, you know, hot, humid, very, you know, this was the sort of races that Crowey

used to go when he was getting ready for Kona and you know early in decision and we have former Olympic bronze medalist Henry Schumann taking the win and It's for the listeners when you look at races the runs the runtimes are the first indicator of a top and humid and hot race because Henry is a sub 30 minute 10k runner off of the bike

And he could probably easily run a 115, 116 half and he ran a 124 and he won with a 124. So yeah, just tough, tough conditions.

Jenna-Caer (25:03.528)
Oh, cool. That is good. Yeah.

Yeah, absolutely.

Josh Vernon (25:10.205)
And by a lot too, I mean, some of those guys were running 126s, 127s. I mean, it must have been brutal.

Fede (25:16.634)
136, 132, 133, 130, yeah, 127, so yeah.

Jenna-Caer (25:19.969)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (25:24.689)
But then you look at our woman's winner and she wasn't far behind.

Fede (25:28.219)
Yeah, absolutely.

Jenna-Caer (25:29.216)
I know that was the cool thing in that, but it wasn't far off.

Fede (25:34.098)
Yeah, it was incredible. Second place, Sam Osborne. And third place, we had Tom Bishop from the Great Britain in the Philippines. And on the girls side, also, you know, very tough, tough race, but, you know, one girl that has been on fire, like for the past, you know, 15 months or so, Els Visser from the Netherlands took the win.

uh you know she's a very strong biker and now her the run is coming together so she's going to be a very interesting athlete to watch for the for the next coming months on second place we had an Reichman from Germany and on third place uh we had Zanid Brakmaier from Hungary I believe uh coming in third

Josh Vernon (26:30.301)
Another one.

Fede (26:31.622)
Netherlands also Netherlands. Okay. Okay Uh on third place, uh, but yeah, this race never disappoints. It's very hot. It's very humid. It's very kona like uh, but maybe I reckon it's a bit hotter than kona and more humid but because I saw some videos and photos and the athletes looked like they were suffering a lot um But yeah, just uh grabbing eyes

Jenna-Caer (26:44.088)
Thank you.

Fede (27:01.538)
putting sponges everywhere, dumping water everywhere. It was just like a survival race. Now we fly to the Southern hemisphere, to Peru. We had 70.3 Lima with a lot of monoparel athlete racing on the pro field, which was very cool to see. We had our own Lucho Tacone. We have,

Fede (27:31.042)
the Chilean Martin Baeza. We had a couple of other age groupers rocking the Mona tri-suits. And we had from Brazil, Reynaldo Colucci taking the win. Then Lucho Tacone from our own Mona team. And then from Mona also, Federico Scarabino from Uruguay taking the third position. So it was very cool to see.

and just goes to show how incredibly fast the new suit is and just a class act from these guys.

Jenna-Caer (28:12.448)
Yeah, there's a bit of a run.

Josh Vernon (28:12.741)
It sounded like a really cool race too, because there was like seven, eight, nine of them coming together off the bike that were all running together too at the beginning of that half marathon. I mean, crazy.

Fede (28:13.084)
Mm-hmm.

Fede (28:23.566)
Yeah 112, 111, yeah very fast conditions brought the round for sure.

Jenna-Caer (28:25.035)
Uh.

Jenna-Caer (28:30.584)
That is wicked. Always makes it more fun to watch those kind of battles go down. I wish we had more of those in Trap on. And that's what I was kind of hoping for the T 100 to see more of those where you have a group of like five, six, come off the bike and just battle it out.

Fede (28:40.449)
Yeah.

Yeah, that would be amazing. And now to finish all the racing that happened over the weekend, on the girl's side, we have the Mexican, Cecilia Perez, taking the win, which was very cool to see. On second place from Chile, we had Sofia Balmaceda on second place. And on third place from Argentina, Romina Palacio, who I believe was coached by Lucho Tacone for quite a bit of time. So yeah.

That was a girl side and yeah, very, very hectic weekend of racing. So now we are on the full swing of things. I just racing after racing is going to get exciting, exciting from now on.

Jenna-Caer (29:20.053)
It was.

Jenna-Caer (29:29.768)
gas into the race and we'd love to see it and there's definitely lots of fun for us to see. So looking forward to following a lot of that between the T100 series, the Ironman Pro series, we got WTCS, we got the Olympics coming up. This year we are going to be spoiled and it is definitely starting to kick off. Oceanside is always kind of that season opener.

Josh Vernon (29:52.381)
Yeah, it's going to be jam packed from now on. And we got a big boy coming up this weekend with Texas. And we got a lot of our teammates that are down there and a lot of pros gearing up for this big first Ironman Pro Series full distance race.

Jenna-Caer (29:58.177)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (30:09.404)
Absolutely, but before we get into predictions and talking all about Texas, let's dive into the fun stuff. Josh, what do you got for social media post of the week?

Josh Vernon (30:18.469)
There's, I tried to change it up a little bit this week. We've kind of done a lot of the mainstream media and things like that. And one of my buddies from Oceanside, who's a New England girl and a real tri squad who went out to Oceanside and actually couldn't race, Nicole Falcaro, because she got stung by a stingray. She had a pretty funny post and she's actually a pretty hilarious social media follow if you haven't followed her, but MMF.

Jenna-Caer (30:21.805)
Okay.

Josh Vernon (30:46.225)
zero five and she had a post because she has been injured Asking the things that she's forgot to do when she is injured and number one is change her socks number two is shave Number three is shower number four is drink water and number five is put on chamois cream And then she goes on to have some amazing hashtags And those are always pretty funny, but she did say yes number five is a joke she didn't have to put on chamois cream while she was injured, but

Jenna-Caer (31:03.833)
laughs

Jenna-Caer (31:16.513)
No.

Josh Vernon (31:16.917)
A good follow for everyone in Triathlon. She is pretty funny and just a nice little dry humor coming out of her. So we'll post that for people to check out and wish her the best in her recovery from Mr. Stingray.

Jenna-Caer (31:31.028)
Yeah, that always sucks. Especially dealing with injury. You know what, at least she's going at it with a positive attitude and just having some fun with it. We always like to see that. Nice to have a new account to follow to keep it entertaining and lighthearted, regardless of the unfortunate situation.

Josh Vernon (31:48.625)
Yeah, apparently she got home and was back for a few days and started feeling better and it just flared up again and had to get on antibiotics and like crazy. So careful in your swim practice and doing your run entries into the ocean.

Jenna-Caer (32:04.548)
Mm-hmm. Oh man. Well, when it comes to what we have this week, I...

a hard time choosing. There may be a special mention in that, but I think the one that we have to go to that is going to be a bit of a buzz within the track on world is T100 not doing their own testing for doping with athletes. So one of our fellow podcasts, although they're well, a lot bigger than us, but pro tri news, they are on there talking about some of the things going on in the

Jenna-Caer (32:40.572)
more controversial than I would have assumed it would be is they put out which T100 athletes are currently on RTP. So what RTP is, the Registered Testing Pool, these are the athletes that have to put in their daily location so that they can be tested out of competition at any time. If you're not in that pool then you're only being tested if you have a good result at a race and some races like the T100 will do a blood spot test before the event.

Now, if you're dumb enough to be doping event day, then, well, you deserve to be caught, but nobody's getting caught that way. Like, they're smart at them, that. So the only way we're really seeing athletes get caught is without a competition testing. So that's why it was disappointing to see that the T100 series, which had talked about it before, still doesn't have any testing lined up for their athletes now.

A number of the athletes are being tested through other federations like Ironman. Will Gibson-Pray's there have actually invested a fair bit of money to test athletes within the Ironman races and then you have the Olympic distance and national federations are testing their own athletes. But what that means is we have a few athletes that kind of fall in between the two. Either they haven't had good Ironman results in a while or they've signed on to the T100 series so Ironman kind of dropped them out of their pool so they're not being tested at all.

What was kind of what the F was that people weren't happy that they posted which athletes were being tested and which athletes were. So what do you think Josh about kind of the uproar over athletes. Well, putting it out there which athletes are not being tested.

Josh Vernon (34:21.813)
I think my initial reaction is WTF. I can't believe how many of them are not on any list whatsoever. Um, but then you start to think about it more when you start to see some comments from Haley Chura and Holly Lawrence and, and the fact that it sounds like pro tri Kyle, whoever reached out to them, Talbot reached out to them, but maybe they didn't get an answer from them and it was kind of just a mum's the word. And.

and they went ahead and posted what they did. But now this information is public and there is ways to find out who's on this, who's on the list and whatnot. So whether or not an athlete responded or not is not really necessary, but it could help because not all that information is up to date either. So I think it was just a matter of the way they posted it without the disclaimers and being upfront with all of the information and how they gathered it, I think is where the out,

Jenna-Caer (34:57.666)
Thanks.

Josh Vernon (35:21.853)
the backlash came from, but it's also interesting to see some of the names that are on that list and others who have chimed in and said, oh, I've been removed from testing. I was on it for a few years, but now I've been removed. As we discussed last week with Yuri, not on a list. It's hard for me to know because I haven't done the research and done the Googling and all of this to find out who is on these lists.

Jenna-Caer (35:43.283)
Yes

Josh Vernon (35:49.669)
Some of the responses in the comments have been pretty eye-opening, and it certainly got a lot of people chatting and talking, and I think that's the number one goal here, is to get this out in front and make people react, and hopefully the people in charge of it all will actually do what they're supposed to do, and start testing and make this board a little bit more. It's just gotta be fair across the board, and everything's gotta be done the same way.

Jenna-Caer (36:17.91)
Yes.

Josh Vernon (36:18.897)
World triathlon needs to step up is really what it comes down to I think

Jenna-Caer (36:23.424)
Yeah, absolutely. And you know, PTO had talked about how testing was going to be something they implemented before the series really kicked off. They talked about it last year and we just haven't seen it come to Threshen and especially something that's supposed to be based around like an athletes organization. These athletes want testing. They want it to be out there because they want to know that they're racing against clean athletes. And I think that's what really helps our sports stay clean is knowing that they're being tested regularly,

and they don't feel as much pressure to dope because they believe their competitors are not. Now, as we saw cycling, that's not always true in there anyways, but I think a lot more clarity around that, a lot more testing and just making sure that they're on top of it is a preventative measure because if you get to that point of desperation, like Colin Chartier who said, like I believed they were all doing things like this, so I believe that was the only way that I could compete or be on the same level,

gets into a very bad place like cycling sprout down where it was like, well, all my competitors are doing it, so I need to do it, which is not a good place to be. And doesn't send a good message to the next generation too. So we don't, we don't want to see that start and become a culture, like a thing of culture within Traphon. So hopefully they'll get that sorted out.

Josh Vernon (37:47.113)
I think we all know pro try news has a lot of poll, has a lot of listeners, has a lot of followers. And they definitely are way more than a clickbait news channel. And they're all fans and all athletes that are tied to the sport and have made a living off of it. So I think this is something that hopefully it does do the trick, but I think we all know it's gonna take time for any big changes to be implemented.

Jenna-Caer (37:59.149)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (38:14.197)
The one thing with that post that I did see was their communication with the T100 and what the PTO was saying they were about to release, about to talk about. And this was, we're going back to last year at the US Open. And now we're coming up on almost a year from that conversation and nothing's been done. So that's an interesting piece to the whole news article that I saw that I thought was, okay, well.

Jenna-Caer (38:29.916)
Oh, yeah. Yeah.

Josh Vernon (38:42.481)
How does this change? What is the tipping point? And these investigations take forever when somebody is under allegation and who knows how long it would take to find out if any one of these athletes had tested positive. I have no idea. It's unfortunate that we're talking about it again. I mean, every time we talk about this, it's like, let's hope we're not talking about this again in another few weeks.

Jenna-Caer (39:04.972)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (39:08.78)
Well, it's so funny. I remember listening to the podcast where they're kind of talking about that initially, and I was running around Las Vegas with like tap Las Vegas. So it was like May last year. So not a lot of progress has been made since then. And that's kind of disappointing to see, especially as there's more money, more eyes on the sport, more attention. That's a lot more incentive for people to do sketchy things and have sketchy affiliations. And it just, you know, how much would it suck if we see this T

see some of these athletes be pop for doping kind of thing. It's just.

It would be really disappointing to see that after the fact. So the quicker they can get something in place, and especially with the affiliation, like you said, with World Trap on, like why aren't they part of their testing pool if they have this partnership in there? I know it all comes down to money at the end of the day, but I think that is something worthy of allocating funds to make sure that our sport stays fair, stays clean, especially as there's more incentive.

Josh Vernon (40:10.053)
Yeah. I mean, they're, they're now on the cusp of making a living with or without sponsorships and, and that has never been the case. So that changes the ball game. And we've seen it in the past with other sports, as you mentioned in cycling, especially, and that the biggest thing here to me is it's gotta be a standard across the board. And I saw some comments and others talk about, Hey, if somebody's

Jenna-Caer (40:18.411)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (40:36.209)
being coached by somebody who's been red flagged before, we need to make sure they're part of the test. No, everyone has to be in it. That's the way I, I mean, like, you've got to have everyone in. Everyone's got to be in it. And it's not just pick and choose. Like the fact that there are some athletes that aren't in it is mind boggling to me.

Jenna-Caer (40:43.624)
Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Mm-hmm.

Jenna-Caer (40:53.872)
No, definitely. Well, the other special mention for What the F, we kind of talked about this before, as the rumors were flying around, but it would be Iron Man's new nutrition sponsor. This one definitely feels like a bit of a money grab. They're switching from Gatorade to Mortal, Mortal Hydration. Now, usually, you know, the hydration nutrition sponsors change, but this one has way less carbs and uses stevia for sweetness.

which generally in Ironman you want easy to digest things and all the carbs, so...

doesn't seem like this is going to be a great option. So all I have to say to athletes is test this out beforehand. Um, stevia especially is not a great thing to take massive quantities of for gut happiness, we'll say. Ooh, I can't imagine a newbie coming into it and just using on course nutrition. That is not going to be pretty.

Josh Vernon (41:54.153)
And it's interesting too because it is a on the bike it is gonna be premixed There is no bottle solution that the company is making so you're leaving it up to somebody else a volunteer Whoever to mix this Which okay on the run course, that's the way it's been with Gatorade endurance and things like that But on the bike if you're relying on course nutrition and or you lose a bottle and you need a bottle you're not grabbing a Gatorade endurance bottle that was made at a

Jenna-Caer (42:06.913)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (42:23.429)
manufacturing facility and you know exactly what you're getting. These are going to be mixed. They're going to be handed out to you in bottles, thankfully. I actually did use it on my bike ride this weekend just to, again, I'm going to grab it on the wrong course at some point and I'd rather have it and on the bike I can handle it but I need carbs. And it's going to be, for me, it's probably going to change to be more gels.

on the bike and I'll get the other bottles filled with liquid carbs. I do sweat a lot as we've talked in the past and I have got a high salt concentration. So for me, I will probably use it on the run as long as I can continue to handle it. But for others, absolutely. If you can't take as many gels as I can take, you're in trouble and you need to find something else that isn't Gatorade that you can get your carbs source in. If you plan on...

sending your run and going for a good half marathon. So it starts on the bike. It is a, like you said, it is a strange partnership. It seems to be one sided why this happened. And I'm sure the founders are great people and have a great idea in mind. And she created it for, I believe she was diabetic and wanted something that she could have. And for that, that's great. But.

Jenna-Caer (43:40.)
Oh, totally, yeah.

Josh Vernon (43:51.057)
Not everyone in this quarter is diabetic. Not everyone, most people need carbs. Unless you're Dan Ploos.

Jenna-Caer (44:00.352)
There we go. Just work on that fat burning capacity and it won't be any issue. Yeah, definitely just seems like a strange one there. But yeah, the sweeteners like Stevia, they just, yeah, that's the one that really gets me. If you are going to use it, very much test it out with some long bike rides and then running off the bike to see how your stomach feels in there because

Josh Vernon (44:01.161)
I'm going to go ahead and close the video.

Josh Vernon (44:05.521)
Ha ha ha.

Jenna-Caer (44:24.16)
That could get a little sketchy there, but I love the idea behind it and the thought process behind it that they're trying to make more options for people who are resistant to carbs or do have issues with them. It's just for the general public, probably not the best. But if you do try it out or if you try it at the races, let us know. We'd love to hear your thoughts on it. And you know what? Maybe we're all wrong and this DVO won't upset your stomach at all. So give it a try and get back to us there.

Josh Vernon (44:50.885)
I mean, the good thing too there is everyone's going to have an opportunity to still get their Gatorade endurance in for the rest of this month and the rest of May and I believe most of June. So if you're doing Texas this weekend, you're good. You're still going to have Gatorade as an option. It's not until the beginning of July where Gatorade is going to be removed completely.

Jenna-Caer (45:11.956)
Awesome. That is definitely good to hear because I know a lot of people have been planning to use it on course. That would be not fun to have that switch up right away. But speaking of Texas, there is the first Ironman of the Ironman Pro Series on this weekend. And like we talked about before, this race list is stacked. It got so full so fast to the point where they had to shut down registration early and a couple of big names like Alistair Brownlee were left off the list because they could not get a start. So and that's one thing.

Alistair was on the I think the Brazil start list but didn't end up starting there so it sounds like still things going on with his injury that we saw the t100 but let's jump into who's actually racing or on the start list. Start with the women we got previous winner Kat Matthews, Jocelyn McCulley, Maya Stage Nelson, Fenella Langridge, Alice Alberts, Laura Brandon, Danielle Lewis, Lotte Wilms,

Jenna-Caer (46:13.551)
This race is, if you haven't seen it before, it's going to be hot and humid with a very flat bike course up and down a highway that sometimes flat and fast is harder on the body because there's just no change in position or breakup or anything whatsoever. So it'll be fun to see the women battling out. I'm just curious to see how Kat Matthews goes after her calf tear at a T100 in Miami. What do you think, Josh? What's this race going to look like?

Josh Vernon (46:40.969)
I mean, so in the other factor with the highway and the out and back is you're going to get a lot of age groupers involved in this as well on the bike course and on the wrong course, it gets pretty congested at times. So hopefully we don't have any incidents and the pros get to do their thing without any issues there. And we do know in the women's field that sometimes becomes a factor on the bike, too, and even in the men's field. So.

Again, it seems like Katz, almost all systems go from what you're hearing and what you're seeing her put out there. And she's excited. It's cool to see her get to the start line. And it doesn't sound like she did anything extravagant in terms of recovery, just kind of let it do its thing and got back at it. How much run fitness she's gonna have is gonna be interesting. It's almost similar to where Jocelyn McCauley was last year coming into this race, coming off of her ankle injury.

Jenna-Caer (47:14.981)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (47:24.1)
Mm-hmm.

Josh Vernon (47:36.645)
And I still think she's coming back. I mean, every time you see her run, it's like her and Lionel have that natural lip gate now. So this is a good race for Gatlin McCauley. Right.

Jenna-Caer (47:45.124)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (47:49.42)
Absolutely. And like, Kat Matthews, you know what, she's just so, like, she's such a strong runner that even off of not a ton of run fitness, she's still going to be competitive, which is what makes this interesting for sure. Gotta see if she'll push.

Josh Vernon (48:02.961)
A calf injury is interesting with the bike too though. So I mean, how much has she been able to push a bike in 112 is a lot different than the T 100 and that's all she's done so far this year. So I, Hey, it's Kat Matthews and she's phenomenal at what she does. So I wouldn't rule her out. Um, this is Alice Albert's first race of the season. So that's another one who we've talked to recently and I've followed pretty extensively. She's had a

Jenna-Caer (48:25.887)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (48:31.761)
great last what three, four races with results in two of them. So she's kind of owned the Ironman distance over the last 12 months. So I think she'll be up there. We all know Fenella is ready to go coming out of Oceanside and a good performance there. So, and it's to me, it's wide open. Danielle Lewis, Lauren Brain, I mean, it is a pretty packed field.

Jenna-Caer (48:56.312)
Lois has been like, yeah, Danielle Lois has just been going up and up and up too. Like she really could shake this up as well with, yeah.

Josh Vernon (49:04.709)
And Rebecca Clark, what can Rebecca Clark do in the swim? I mean, and get away like she proved in Singapore. She's got her swim form too, so.

Jenna-Caer (49:15.796)
No, I think this is going to be a wicked race. I'm so excited to see it go down and we'll actually broadcast it, which is nice. I've heard that it's on YouTube and outside. So if it's on YouTube, go that way. Cause there's slightly less advertisement without having the outside and the Ironman advertising. No. Okay. Watching that T100 in Singapore, I was, I realized how annoying the constant advertisements are on the Ironman racing. Cause you didn't have any on the T100. There was no Morton moves or like seeing Lucy in the Rocket

Josh Vernon (49:27.396)
Yeah.

Josh Vernon (49:40.881)
If you don't have it.

Jenna-Caer (49:45.99)
every five minutes kind of thing. It was refreshing to not miss moments in the race because there was another commercial break and Dee will be right back every ten minutes. Less than ten minutes. Anyway, sorry, total side note in there.

Josh Vernon (50:00.921)
It's okay. I didn't have to I didn't have to go through that torture I was just doing it to myself while racing when you were watching that one. I Have to deal with this torture for a full distance race this time

Jenna-Caer (50:07.35)
Great. There we go.

Jenna-Caer (50:12.864)
Mm-hmm, see it all in there. How many times will we hear Dee and yeah, it just that's a lot. Anyways, who do you think? Okay, I also...

Josh Vernon (50:20.209)
So who do you think is gonna take it, Jenna? Because I've had the first go a couple times now.

Jenna-Caer (50:25.892)
Okay, you know what? I gotta go after doing some of the testing with Vanilla Language and seeing her down in the woodlands. She definitely, she knows this area, she's been down there, she's done some training there and dialed in with the fastest race kid out there with Mono Apparel if I do say so. But no, you know what? She is just such a gritty strong racer and the Ironman distance suits her a lot more than 70.3 so I think Vanilla is going to take this one. How about you Josh? Who do you get?

Josh Vernon (50:56.165)
I love the pic and for more than just the monorheisms that she's been there probably the longest. She's been there pretty much since Oceanside. She went right there a couple of days after Oceanside and has been down there acclimating. She's a great account to follow if you don't already. So she's ready to go for sure. I really do like Alice and everything she's done, but I'm gonna go with Kat. I think she's gonna, she's gonna.

Jenna-Caer (51:09.645)
That's it.

Josh Vernon (51:24.517)
pull it off and if she's starting, if she's starting, she's not risking her T100 contract. And that's the biggest thing to me. Like if she's going to actually go and start this race, it's not to validate, it's not to date, she's going to win. And I think that's a big factor for me. But there's so many, so many females that can pull this off, but I'll go with Kat.

Jenna-Caer (51:25.493)
I'm not sure if that's true.

Jenna-Caer (51:48.14)
And you know what's interesting here too, is there's like six Kona spots, or I guess niece for the women, niece spots for this. And a bunch of them already have their qualification for it. So like you could be at least like three or four have their qualifications. So it could go to like ninth, tenth place and still get that qualification, which is even more interesting on the men's side because I think like six or seven of them have their Kona qualifications. So that could go to like 12th place getting Kona spots.

Josh Vernon (52:00.145)
lockdown.

Josh Vernon (52:16.955)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (52:18.174)
So it'll definitely what that means for this race is one Ironman Pro Series points are on the line so people are going to push to the very last minute because you get points based on how far you are behind the winner which we saw destroy a few people at Oceanside on the women's side. That result almost doesn't count because the points were so much lower so we're definitely going to see some place or some battles for minor placing and then those Ironman points as well because this one's going to count for a lot.

Oh, excited to watch it.

Josh Vernon (52:50.217)
For sure.

Jenna-Caer (52:50.236)
Well, let's jump on to the men's side. We got a few familiar names here too. We've got Patrick Lange, Robert Kuecki, Brandon Curie, Matthew Marquardt, Matt Hanson, Joe Skipper, Menno Koolhaas, Clement Mignone, Trevor Foley, Chris Lechman, Dylan Magnian, Jonas Hoffman, and a number of others. And we've got Jason Pohl as well. We've always got to give him a shout out as one a Calgarian and a Mono athlete, so got to cheer him on.

Josh Vernon (53:16.329)
Hey.

Jenna-Caer (53:20.488)
Yeah, so we definitely have a few names on here. I think this is going to be so interesting to see how this goes down. There's a mix of like fast runners and really strong bikers that are going to be a little bit out of the ways behind out of the water. So that's always fun, especially with a flat and fast course like this. It seems like the strong bikers can make up a lot of time. What do you think? Anything else will actually go down?

Josh Vernon (53:45.425)
Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, I mean, again, when you get to the marathon distance run and you've got some runners like Matt Hansen and Patrick Lange, if they're there, how do you root against them? Now, this is kind of the race that put Matthew Marquardt on the map last year too. So if I remember correctly, it was Texas that everyone's like, whoa, where'd this guy come from? And Rudy's not back to defend. So.

Who does take this one? Patrick's been down there since Oceanside training and.

Jenna-Caer (54:23.78)
He didn't have a great ocean side, like he hasn't, early season four didn't look great. And to be fair, he hasn't raced a ton of 70.3s and that's not his distance. And Texas, between the shoes and his, the way he runs, he could go run sub 230 and I wouldn't be surprised at all. But how much time will he lose on the bike is the question.

Josh Vernon (54:44.581)
Yeah. So you know what? And I know he's still juggling his entire life and grad school and everything else he's got going on with Matthew Marquardt and all of his research work that he's doing. We haven't seen him race, I don't believe yet this year, but I will go with him because he's familiar with the course. He knows what he did do last year and what he can do this year. So I'm going to go with Marquardt.

Jenna-Caer (55:12.544)
Okay, that's interesting. Yeah, see I was looking I've been going back and forth because you know a Patrick Lange who's fit and running can have that insane runtime But we just saw Joe Skipper have a solid 70.3 time for him now. He's not Winning, but he's never been incredibly good at that 70.3 race, but then he shows about Iron Man's and absolutely crushes it I wonder if he'll have his arrow bottle set up with like the two arrow bottles on either side where he can't see

knows where he's going. That'll be one thing in there.

Josh Vernon (55:47.417)
And he's been staying up his feet with his motorized scooter in the grocery store.

Jenna-Caer (55:53.737)
I mean, he's definitely entertaining to watch as well. Oh man, you know what? I'm gonna go, keep going back and forth. I'm gonna go Patrick Lang. I think get it dialed in after Oceanside and that run is just a killer run. If he's fit, I think he'll take this one. But it'd be fun to see that.

Josh Vernon (56:14.489)
It's such a cool run too along the water there and you've got all the fans right there and the tree cover so that it can, even in the heat, you can get some areas of some reprieve and people spraying water on you and things like that. So you can't rule against Patrick in a full distance Ironman.

Jenna-Caer (56:32.204)
He's just so good at running in the heat. Like, it's unreal.

Man, but you know what I hope more than anything we have like a crazy mix up where something unsuspect happens to keep it interesting. I will definitely be watching this weekend and maybe we'll get to see one of those battles where we have a big group coming out off the bike and it'll be a battle to the finish. I think in the Wounds race it has a lot, a bit more potential to happen. Everyone kind of has their strengths. There's the potential for a lot of lead changes in that one for sure.

Josh Vernon (56:43.888)
always.

Josh Vernon (57:03.313)
Yeah, absolutely. And I think one of the things we've got coming up too is I just noticed that the podcast is coming up on its one year anniversary and our 50th episode are all around the same time. So that magic might happen together, but it'd be awesome to hear from our listeners on who you want us to try and get as a special guest for either episode 50 or the one year. So please send those in. There's a poll right now on social media if you wanna nominate somebody for

for us to try and go communicate with and secure for our big episodes coming up.

Jenna-Caer (57:39.188)
Yeah, I can't believe I didn't even realize that until you posted up. That's insane how, yeah, time flies. It's coming up fast here. Oh my goodness. We're still here chatting on the phone.

Josh Vernon (57:48.901)
Absolutely, absolutely. What a year.

Josh Vernon (57:54.025)
Do you even remember filming that or recording that trailer?

Jenna-Caer (57:59.584)
Oh man. Yeah. I didn't quite know what to expect or what this would turn into, but you know, it's fun to get it started and Josh, you've been amazing addition to it as well. And I think we found the right team in here and we may have someone else joining us soon. So stay tuned for that. I'm a very experienced podcaster and we'll leave it at that for now. But

Let us know if there's someone you want us to try to get on and we will do our best. Yeah, to have a chat with them and celebrate 50. That's crazy. Well, as always, thank you for joining me, Josh and Fede had to jump off here, but we will be back next week to break down what happened in Texas and have some more fun just geeking out on Traphon and doing what we do here. Awesome. Have a great day.

Josh Vernon (58:34.281)
Amazing.

Josh Vernon (58:50.845)
Have a good night, everyone.