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Another Triathlon Podcast
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Another Triathlon Podcast
Episode 57: Olympics, Doping and More!
Experience the thrill and unpredictability of triathlon as we recap a fiercely competitive women's event featuring stars like Cassandra Beaugrand, Flora Duffy, and Beth Potter. From tackling challenging course layouts to overcoming early race obstacles like swim confusion and bike crashes, our discussion celebrates the resilience and skill of these top athletes. Relive the excitement of strategic swims and electrifying final runs that define the high-stakes world of triathlon racing.
Finally, delve into the latest triathlon and cycling headlines, including standout performances by Christian Blumenfeld, Alex Yee, and Leo Bergere, and a spotlight on the French team's dominance in mixed relay events. We also scrutinize the strategic choices of athletes like Beth Potter and Taylor Knibb and reflect on American cycling's historic achievements. Plus, get the scoop on the upcoming SuperTri season and the fallout from the Tomas Jeepers doping scandal that has rocked the sports community. Don't miss this episode packed with insightful analysis and the latest news in triathlon and cycling!
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Speaker 2:This is another triathlon podcast. Enjoy the ride. Welcome back to another episode of another triathlon podcast brought to you by Mana Apparel, a little different voice. This week. Jenna is off with some family obligations and has some family and friends in town, and then she's also getting ready for her big race in Australia. So tonight you got, fede and I, and we're going to hold it down as much as we can and give you as many updates as we can from what's been going on over in Paris and what's coming up in the Ironman world, and also with some super fast, quick racing, with Super Track coming up around the corner. So, benny, how are we doing man, how's the training going? It sounds like you've been picking it up and throwing it down, so how's that been going?
Speaker 3:Hey, josh, yeah, I'm missing Jenna over here a little bit, but no training's been going. Hey, josh, yeah, missing Jenna over here a little bit, but no, training's been going well. Feeling inspired with the Olympics, watching a whole bunch of disciplines that I don't normally watch, of course, following the triathlon and cycling and the athletics up close with the marathon coming up. So, yeah, training's been going well. A lot of volume on the bike and on the run, starting to pick up the volume as well. Foot feels great, uh, no pain.
Speaker 3:So I'm excited and uh, yeah, I have santa cruz 70.3 because I can make the trip to maine, but, um, yeah, hopefully that works out well and uh, yeah, excited, excited and happy to be back training normally and consistently. Uh, can't wait, can't wait. I know, santa cruz, I'm not going to be 100 myself, but um, yeah, just grateful that I'm going to be able to race again and then, uh, using that to build towards, um, t100, las vegas. That's going to be my tune-up race for 70.3 worlds, uh, which is going to be my age, a race for the season. So, yeah, excited and uh, happy to be back on the training course. What about you?
Speaker 2:I mean you're going to be peaking come telpo, so yeah, perfect. It ends up being a blessing in disguise, maybe, and uh this is true yeah, the season you expected, but uh, there's still a way to salvage it for sure, absolutely no.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you said probably, probably a blessing in disguise. I was wondering how I was going to keep up the the shape for as long as the season is.
Speaker 2:But now, with the injury and everything, uh, maybe everything turns out well that I'm going to be picking come, uh, december have you changed anything with your running at all, that maybe you picked up that because of the injury or or any gait or anything that like you've done differently, or shoes, or oh, not, not really, because, uh, the injury was, you know, accident related, wasn't like form, or it was just a I fell on a rock, but, um, no, using a lot of the lever right now.
Speaker 3:um, for my quote-unquote long runs, which are, you know, 90 minute stops right now, so, being using that for for the main set of my long runs, I do the warm-up without it, then put on the lever and then do the cool-down without it. So that's been helping a lot of keeping the lungs and heart strong but taking the impact away from the legs. So that's something that I've been using now a little bit more.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for anyone of our listeners that don't know, and this is not a sponsored ad or anything but the lever is this really cool system that was developed by a bunch of elite athletes out in Boulder, colorado, I believe.
Speaker 2:That allowed you to remove a percentage of your body weight with a pulley lever system that attaches to your treadmill. So there's a lot of top level triathlete triathletes and elite runners that have been using it. So definitely check them out. If you're battling an injury or upping your volume, that's. Another thing to do is to uh offset some volume upticks with it as well, and I've been using it too, as I get my volume going very cool, yeah. So, speaking of volume, I've been kind of chugging along my uh. My coach keeps throwing it at me and then the body keeps responding uh. So we just keep adding and and tweaking it a little bit. So even, let's's say, tonight would normally be a big run day, hill workout, track workout type day for me, but we're going to do it on the bike instead. So I'm going to do some threshold type intervals, a couple of those, and then max effort 10 buys for 20 seconds, just kind of changing up the muscles and and adding volume that way without having to to get out and pound the pavement or the track.
Speaker 2:So it's been really cool, though I've been doing a lot of track workouts and doing a lot of 400s, 800s, 1200s, uh mile repeats, and then this week I had a six by one K, or sorry, seven by one K, with over under, so just above threshold and then under threshold for one K. So that was really cool to do and just to see the heart rate not really jump and then also recover really quickly at just under threshold. So the body is responding to this volume and really happy with that. And and still biking, still swimming, I still have my. My next and last triathlon on the schedule, at least for this year, is august 18th at boston triathlon um, also home of the first super tri event. So looking forward to that weekend In general, we're going to have a shakeout run with mana peril and human powered health again that weekend. So anyone who's in the new England area or in the Boston area that weekend let me know. We're going to be doing a cool shakeout run that Saturday morning, the 17th, and there's a good, good opportunity that we'll have some Olympic medalists or some of the Olympic athletes at the event running with us too. So it'll be really cool to have that.
Speaker 2:And I also had a big time first this past weekend and knew there was going to be some storms coming through, and picked a good route and had it on my, my, my edge, my Garmin computer, and have my workout on there and had a pretty easy workout. But it was um long, it was about three hours and we knew we had a few efforts in it. So out riding by myself, missed a couple of turns, made a couple of U-turns and on one of those U-turns I was paying attention to the computer a little bit more than I should have been, trying to figure out where that turn was. That I missed, and it had already poured a few times. And, uh, caught a pothole. And man, you catch a pothole and you're not looking and the bike goes flying. Your clips come out, thankfully, but I said to my coach it was like a BMX rider in the Olympics, with the bike completely 45 degrees and you're completely sideways and then the bike goes away and you go away.
Speaker 2:I do thank God that I was in the rain, because it made the road rash less than what it probably would have been, and I probably slid 15 feet instead of being stopped four feet uh after hitting the ground but a little bit of bruising and another hour and 20 minutes to go on the bike and was able to uh, get up, shake it off, fix the bars a little bit and luckily no cars were coming, that type of thing. No car stopped, which was weird.
Speaker 2:But uh, yeah, that was a scary moment, but it was a first and it's out of the way and I've now dropped a bike and had that scary moment and flash flashing in your eyes and what the heck's going on, and next thing you know you're back up and riding, so grateful to uh be able to get back up and run and then do a run off the bike that night and just kind of keeping it iced and mobility wise, and next thing, you know, I don't even really feel it anymore. So lucky there and again happy to get it out of the way yeah, yeah, no, that's awesome.
Speaker 3:I mean, like the saying goes, there's only two types of cyclists the ones who who have already fallen and the ones who are about to fall. So it's nothing, it's part of the job, I guess.
Speaker 2:So, if you're listening, send us in your story, drop a DM on Instagram, drop a comment on Instagram. Maybe we'll put up a post and people can tell us about their first time crash. And if you haven't had one, god you, it's not. I do not wish it on anyone but, like fanny said, you do know, uh, who you are. But it's, uh, it's, uh, definitely a experience I don't want to have to have again for a while. I'd rather have a flat left and right. It was also cool, I did. I mean, like we mentioned, I was out. I actually took the race wheels off and was riding on my my my regular training wheels too, and held up great, um, but it was, uh, it was maybe just you. You got to stay focused, especially these days, right, and it was a good lesson to learn to, uh, even when you're using a Garmin computer or a computer or anything with with the map, try and learn the route before you go.
Speaker 2:I think, that's kind of one of those lessons, um. So onwards we go and uh, I'm healthy, so thankful for that and uh, the training's going well and marathon build is is full-blown and we're gonna go try and have fun at olympic triathlon as well, so looking forward to that. Speaking of olympic triathlons, uh, since we are recording a few days later than normal, we've got two individual triathlons, mixed triathlon, a couple road races to talk about. So, betty Fede, why don't you kick us off? Do we want to start with the men's or the women's?
Speaker 3:race, let's go in chronological order.
Speaker 3:Yeah, let's go in chronological order. Let's start with the women. Well, first of all, we started debating if there was actually going to be a triathlon because Paris had a lot of rain in the days leading up to they rescheduled the event, uh, so, yeah, it was wild and, uh, it was amazing to see how hard or how strong the current was, uh, due to the rain that the athletes had to go through, and, uh, it was, at some points it looked like they were, they were swimming still, and then, of a sudden, they were blazing fast. On the girls' side, we had the race favorites in the likes of Cassandra Begrant, georgia Taylor-Brown, flora Duffy, beth Potter, the veteran, rachel Klammer, from the Netherlands, climber from the netherlands, um, I mean taylor spivey from the us, laura lindemann, uh, the uber biker, maya kingma, uh, of course, uh, from the us, we had this superstar cyclist and triathlete, taylor nibb. So it was a stack, stack field and these olympic races, they are everything but world, uh, record, uh, shattering events. Not that there there are world records in triathlon, because every course is different. And I got a little that, got a little bit into my nerves because, uh, I was watching it on the, on the spanish broadcaster and she was constantly saying that X course was faster, this Olympics X athlete was faster on the swim, and I was like, no, each course is different. Just shut up and yeah. So anyways, we had a local, and I guess doing a race in Homeland either can make or break your race.
Speaker 3:Some athletes use that energy to channel the best of themselves and some others just fall with the pressure, and this was the case in 2012 with Alistair Brownlee and Johnny Brownlee, and now the French had a lot of pressure, especially well, on the men's side, leaving out Vincent Louis, but now on the girls' side, they had Cassandra Beaugrand, who's a very strong athlete, emma Lombardi, leon Perriol so just super strong athletes, and it was a very, very eventful race. We had rain on the event and there were a lot of falls, and we saw the experience of Flora Duffy taking in. She took the race from the get-go using, you know, being super smart on the swim and then being the uber biker that she is just exploiting every single inch of that course. She didn't fail off the bike as some other athletes did.
Speaker 3:Some athletes' Olympics race was over on the bike and just a lot of girls falling off, but you know, flora, being the current Olympic champion, came into transition first, and then we saw a class run from Cassandra Vaugrand from France. She was just moving at a different pace from everyone and taking the race by herself. She took the win in 1.54.55, running at 32.42. And not bad and was probably a dark horse for some. But this girl is a very strong athlete and I think her strength lies in middle and long distance racing. From switzerland, julie de ron. Oh my god, how the the fact that she ran also in the 32s 32, 51, uh. And she rode 57 minutes, uh, some 22. So it was just amazing racing from her. And in third place we had Beth Potter from Great Britain, who surprisingly did not have the fastest run split because she already went to an Olympics in track and field and everybody was expecting her to have a super solid run. But no, it was Cassandra with the fastest run split and taking the win in home soil.
Speaker 2:It was interesting from the beginning, like you said, even with the swim and the fact that they had the crowd noise going and amping up the crowd with the music probably wasn't the smartest thing to do, because the swim start beep was the same beep that they use inside at the pool, where you can hear a little better than you can outside.
Speaker 2:um yeah, so I'd say what? Maybe two-thirds of the, the female swimmers, started at the same time and then there was a group of which I believe taylor nibb was included in, that kind of sat on the platform and went late when there was an air horn from a fan. So that was unfortunate, and when you get that early lead in a down river swim like that, it does set some separation out and you could tell that they were playing catch up. That group from the pontoon really never got back into the race, I don't think and yeah no, and flora.
Speaker 2:I think flora set the tone for every swimming event in the sand this whole week and she showed people what the best route is by hugging the coastline and hugging the weeds and hugging the boats and hugging the barges and cutting back in at the last minute. Even though you had to swim a little longer distance, you were going to use less effort. So she certainly did what she needed to do to give herself a chance, and I think she needed to do a 40k tt and then get out in front and she just couldn't hold on with the the level of talent that's on the bike these days and you get a few of them together.
Speaker 2:They're going to track her down. So, um, it was a really cool race to see and that run was just super fast, super special, and and that's where, when, when you are the golden child of France and you do get that crowd going, it's going to pick you up and all those nerves of having to hold court kind of go away.
Speaker 2:And I think we kind of talked about that last week too on our episode Do you feel the pressure or not? And I think she just got into the race and fell into her own zone once she caught up and off and running, she went. So I mean it was a really cool race. It was unfortunate to see Taylor Nibb not be a factor and it was unfortunate to see Kirsten Kasper be one of those casualties on the bike with the course and then the mechanicals and Taylor Spivey had a great race um individually she was in the mix, so you can't ask for anything more than that, but definitely not the race.
Speaker 2:The americans expected, uh, but they, uh, they redeemed themselves later in the week yeah, 100.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no. It was a shame to see kristen uh fall off the bike and then taylor not having the race she wanted. She looked frustrated because we knew she had the the goods to show up but, um, thankfully she redeemed herself and the whole team usa. And on the mixed relays which we're going to get to in a little bit, yeah, and you talked about julie darone.
Speaker 2:I mean what? Uh remember that name because, as you said, middle distance and long distance is coming yeah there's a chance she could be the one that challenges taylor nib in that level of racing, and we did hear from taylor as well that she's probably going to be focused on middle and long distance for a while here, and maybe not so much la. Um, so we'll see how that goes, but taylor nibb, julie daron could be the two names you might want to know in the next four years absolutely, yeah, 100.
Speaker 3:I'm sure we're going to see big things from from those two in the middle distance races and probably they're going to give ashley gentle a run for her money over the t100 yeah, that'd be interesting to see who all steps up to.
Speaker 2:so we all, we, we all know that these short distance, short distance, is kind of losing it's it's luster too. So let's hope it sticks around. And as much of the controversy around the water and all that, I don't think it was as much world triathlon as it was the Olympic committee and the IOC and the conglomerate that they are. They're they're a huge engine and when they say, kneel down, you're going to kneel down and do what they need to do, and they got to the point where the water quality had to be good yeah yeah, yeah, all of a sudden.
Speaker 2:We don't care how fast they have to swim, it's an infinity pool. They can make it back somehow true, true I definitely think the international olympic committee got the final ruling there. But yeah, so, uh, how about the men's race? I don't think we could. Uh, I didn't think we could top the women's race, but we certainly did with the men's finish oh yeah, we had an amazing, an amazing race on the men's side.
Speaker 3:Uh, you know, we have current olympic champion christian blumenfeld showing up to pull an Alistair Brownlee and go back-to-back in the Olympics. We had Alex Yee, hayden Wilde, the favorites you know Leo Vergeur, pierre Lacour, vasco Villasa, tyler Mislachuk, from Canada, you know everyone. Everyone was there and I remember, a couple of episodes ago ago, I told you how I thought this race was gonna go and I I think I'm I was 90 percent, 90 accurate.
Speaker 3:Um, you know it was almost spot on there yeah, yeah, I mean, I did like, like I said, these olymp races they're very tactical and you don't see a lot of heroic efforts and if you do, it's probably because they want some TV time or air time. But the guys that we thought were going to be there in the end, those were the guys that were fighting for the win, which were Alexi and Hayden Wilde. And Hayden being very meticulous and very, you know, numbers-driven although it doesn't seem like it, I think he likes to play like oh no, I just played by field. But no, he's a very, very meticulous guy and he was looking at his watch the whole entire run and for a while then he had us believe that he was going to win because he was pulling away from Alex on the run. And it wasn't until I don't know 600 meters left that Alex G grabbed everything he had on his insides and just sprinted and passed Hayden. I'm sure Hayden wanted to respond, like I know in his mind. He went, but his legs just couldn't follow. So amazing racing by Alexi Hayden coming in second. So these two have Olympic gold and silver, you know, from Tokyo and now Paris. I mean Alexi has silver and gold and hayden has silver and bronze. So the only metal that these two are missing is uh gold from hayden and uh bronze from hayden. Probably, probably, in la, we're gonna see that happening.
Speaker 3:Um, and a christian I mean I and Christian, I mean I want to say it was a surprise, but maybe it wasn't as much of a surprise that he wasn't there because he was struggling in that these guys had on the day, even though he pulled the group on the bike and he was willing to work super hard. He, he couldn't, he, he. I remember watching a video from Christian a couple of months ago and he said it's going to take high 28s, low 29s on the 10K to win and he ran a 31, 34 or so 31, 34, so uh, and and he was right, he was right alex ran a 29, 47, so 29 highs, not not even 29 lows, uh, but uh, yeah, it was huh. Maybe we're starting to see that the norwegian method is not a bulletproof all the time and that he is human after all.
Speaker 3:I mean still, a very gutsy race. He finished in 12th place, so very respect, respectable placing, but um, yeah, uh, ye and wild were in a different level and local leo verger from france took the silver for france home soil. So it was very cool to see cassandra taking the gold on the girl's side and then Leo taking the bronze on the boys' side. So, yeah, it was a very cool race. And not rain didn't happen, so they weren't falls like on the girls' race, but still a very dramatic and cool race to watch.
Speaker 2:And in the French, not only did they have the gold on the women's side and leo and the bronze, they had four on in the top four. So between the two of them. So it's like, okay, now we get the mixed team relay and here's france showing their true colors. Nobody's got a chance against them come the mixed team relay. So that was the thought coming out of the individual race. For sure that they were ready to go and we'll get into how that ended up going. But it was the men's race.
Speaker 2:You talk about Christian and I would say that was more disappointing than Taylor Nibb and her performance just because Christian was in it. Almost every guy was in that race coming off the bike. Christian was in it, almost every guy was in that race coming off the bike. Yeah, that that pack was huge coming into t2 and it came down to the 10k and we knew who that probably meant. But at the same time, what christian were we getting? Were we getting the christian that literally focused for the olympics? And and the other piece is, how hard is it to go short course to long course and back?
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And there are many people that have done it successfully now, and if the Norwegian method or Christian Blumenfeld can't cycle back into short distance, I don't know how many people can, and so it'll be interesting to see some of these Olympians go into T100, go into Ironman World Champs and play with that for a couple of years, yeah, and then try and get back in the parish or into Los Angeles shape. Yeah, we'll see. It's definitely been something that is not easy to do.
Speaker 2:And I think that is a big factor. We all know that Christian's got a ton of other stuff going on with the whole.
Speaker 2:Tour de France cycling team and stuff, and he's still focused at Kona. We'll talk about the Frankfurt Ironman. He's on the start list there coming up in a couple of weeks. So yeah, it was. And and talk about disappointing too morgan pearson, um, that that was not the race we expected out of him, not the race he expected, not the excuses we wanted to hear from him, um, which was probably the most disappointing.
Speaker 2:But it sounds like he uh, righted the ship a little bit too in terms of his, his mentality there, and not a space to be blaming other people. It's a, it's a lot of people in a short swim. It's gonna get, you're gonna get banged around. So, yeah, it's just the nature of the game. And, uh, it's interesting to the other this, the strategy side around the swim became a huge factor, as we talked about.
Speaker 2:In leading into it, the swim was going to play a factor and in the men's race it probably did, because hayden, hayden, hayden lost pace, more so than alex picked up pace in that last 1k. Yeah and but. But alex was up in that front group on the bike and and not chasing as much as hayden and christian were, and it was really haydenden and Christian taking turns pulling that chase pack up. So he certainly used a lot more. The swim was a factor there and even though Hayden and Christian had better swims than we expected, it was still a factor come the final K on that run for sure.
Speaker 2:And I think it was interesting to see some of the Americans struggle with the swim outside of Seth, ryder and Spivey, you find out, maybe they didn't do the recon, maybe they didn't talk about the current as much as they should have and things like that. So kudos to the nations that did and figure out the routes and things to take. So yeah, that's enough about the individuals. But yeah, that's enough about the individuals. The mixed team relay was the true winner of the racing world because we've seen some photo finishes. But it's been a good year for triathlon that way, and on the track and in the swimming pool. But in triathlon center stage, mixed team relay, fede how'd it go down?
Speaker 3:It was what a race. The mixed team relays and it just goes to show how incredible these athletes are and how glad am I that the mixed team relays is part of the Olympic program. It's just exciting and you can see that it means that much. I mean, we as triathletes probably not you and me, josh, because we grew up playing team sports, but a lot of triathletes are very self-driven and they've always been used to being a one-man show or one-woman show and just thinking for yourself and all of this. But adding the team element just makes you look how excited these guys were of representing their country and racing for something bigger than themselves. They didn't want to let their teammates down. They want to make their country proud. They were racing for more than themselves. So it was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 3:It was an amazing race and we had obviously the favorites France, we had Australia, we had Germany, the US. Of course, we had Norway, new Zealand, but I mean, I don't want to say again dark horse, but not. A lot of people were looking at Germany as a gold medal contender, people were looking at the US, people were looking at Great Britain, people were looking at France, australia, new Zealand, but maybe not Germany and the fact that Maybe Belgium, but they weren't allowed to race.
Speaker 3:Maybe Belgium, but they weren't allowed to race. Yeah, man, yeah, a girl got sick and they couldn't complete the mixed team relay. But yeah, it was an incredible race. You know, this time it was girl boy, girl boy. And the Germans were so good they had already won in Hamburg earlier and they backed it up with another mixed team relay win. They took the gold.
Speaker 3:A very smart race from the Germans. The lead man was very good and the anchor woman, laura Lindemann, was amazing, outstanding on the bike, very smart. She used all the bike power that Taylor Neve has on the bike to bridge up to to um, great Britain. And Beth Potter, and you know, like, like I was mentioning before Beth come, coming from a track and field background, and this being an 1800 meter run, everybody was talking about how Beth Potter was going to run away from everyone. But nope it. I mean. This shows you that this is not just an 1,800-meter race, it's a triathlon and you need to be strong in all three disciplines. And probably the bike took a little bit out of Beth's pop on the run that she couldn't respond to Laura Lindemann.
Speaker 3:So Germany took the win, the US took silver and I attribute the silver medal to, of course, everyone, but if there was an mvp it had to be taylor nip. I mean, she was riding her guts out. She bridged the gap and then even attacked the race from you know, uh, from transition and uh, she was giving attacks and she laid everything out there. So nothing to be ashamed for. An amazing silver medal for the US and a lot of respect for Taylor Neve.
Speaker 3:You know this was the last event for her in this Olympics. The individual time trial didn't go as well as it could have gone because you know also, she had rain and a few mechanicals and just a lot of misfortune on the individual event, just bad luck. And this was a very cool redemption race and you could see that it meant that much to her that she was like, okay, I'm going to give it out, everything I have. And I think she was the reason why the us won silver and great britain, beth, held on for for bronze. She also did an amazing race in the individual and uh, not taking anything from her, but, um, she was struggling. Out of the three she was the one that looked the most vulnerable on the run and uh, but yeah, kudos to the germans. Uh, you know, the last German triathlon champion was Jan no-transcript.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it was really neat to see you, like you said, the whole team aspect of it. You know, and our listeners who who listen to the podcast regularly know I'm a big fan of relays in general. I've done two of them myself in the rmn. So big fan of it, uh, and it was really cool to see. It was unfortunate that we didn't get to see the new zealand team and the french team that we thought we were going to get to see. With the the early crash on the second lap of the bike, one of the last U-turns on the bike course, we had Pierre Lecour and Hayden Wild go down in a pretty serious crash where there were some mechanicals on top of the crash and Hayden Wild came into T3, I guess you could call it T3.
Speaker 3:Yeah, T3.
Speaker 2:T3, bloodied for the tag off, and then the French were over a minute down. And when you get a minute down in a race where there's drafting, not easy to catch up, uh, which was another cool story to see I mean to see cassandra bogran get them all the way back to fourth and run the run, the leg that she ran to finish that race with nothing to win. Um yeah other than that was really cool, uh, that was just pride.
Speaker 3:You could see the pride that she was like I don't care if we don't get, if we don't win a medal, and it just shows you the type of athletes these guys are. They're at different levels. I know probably what was going on through her mind. She was like I cannot live with myself if I don't put 100% on this relay, no matter what, and that's why she had the fastest run split. And if the course was I don't know 700 meters longer, probably she could have.
Speaker 2:She could have won uh, uh bronze I agree, and, and unlike the individual races, we actually saw a penalty for an early swim start. So there was yeah, there was a penalty there in t1, um. And the other thing that I thought was interesting and I've asked a few people this, including some people involved with usa triathlon, and I'd love to get your take on it and the audience chime in, if you'd like to, on our social media page. But what are your thoughts on? There's two scenarios here Beth Potter trying to get away on the bike, and okay, is that the correct strategy? And this could come down to to we just didn't have enough to make team relay races this season and and there wasn't much of a trial, and and then the other one is should taylor nib be taylor nib and try and get away on the bike? Or, when she caught laura lindeman, should she had teamed up with Laura to bridge up to Beth together to save her legs for the run? So what?
Speaker 2:are your takes on those two scenarios oh man.
Speaker 3:I mean this is picking Harris right now, splitting Harris, but I think the way the race panned out was the best way, that athletes thought that they were putting themselves in the best position to win. I think waiting to bridge the gap and then pushing together would have been a bit risky, but no, I think this was the best way of doing it. I think because I think Taylor was betting that she was going to break the legs out of everyone on the bike and kudos to Germany because they held on to her, will not pulling, just letting Taylor do all the pulling. So this was the best. It was a strategic race from the Germans.
Speaker 2:It was very gutsy and hard on the hand by the US and a holding out for dear life and for pride from Great Britain and then again a very gutsy and pride moment from France from finishing fourth and just a very unfortunate series of events that took and new zealand that of picture very early on yeah, I agree, and I kudos to the the video coverage of the event for actually catching the girls clipping out, uh, or getting out of their their shoes coming into t2 on that final leg, because it's a huge piece of transition and, in the short course world especially, and for a race to have three bikers that close together, to actually see all three of them go through that process, and and to see taylor started early and actually get the advantage, because she did start early enough and was able to power down, while the other two are still kind of fumbling around, and we all know taylor's had some issues with her transition, so she she certainly wanted to get some time between herself, and she actually needed it, because she fumbled to get her sneakers on and and ended up leaving t2 in second place, I believe.
Speaker 2:So, yep, that definitely was a factor, and the only thing I didn't like, though, is we lost our good broadcasters from the individual race.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we didn't have the same quality of triathlon announcers for the mixed team relay.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, that's in the US broadcast, but on the Mexican TV we had one. I don't want to say names, but there were two. I'm just going to say one of the two was horrible and it was a surprise, because this person is a former pro triathlete, so it was just, oh, she kept saying Tokyo 2021 for some reason, and that just a lot of things. But, um, yeah, can we just have people that are qualified to do the broadcast in all languages please, because it's a bit annoying that people that are getting into the sport get, uh, not the correct information all the time yeah, no, it's a.
Speaker 2:It's a huge event and it's the biggest event for these kids and these girls and these guys of their year for the most part. And, yeah, they deserve that type of coverage too. So I mean all in all, it was a great couple days for triathlon in general.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think, yeah, I think this won a lot of fans and yeah it was awesome to see the streets packed with people, and, and the same thing goes with the, the road race too, I mean remco and and wow, what a cool race and what a cool course, uh, and I don't know if you want to touch on that real quick fed, because you were, uh, you were all over remco and we had a huge upset in the ladies field.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, it was an incredible race from remco I I just thinking about it I got chills because he wanted. He knew his A race was going to be the time trial at the Olympics and I'm sure he was over the moon with his result at the Tour de France this year his first Tour de France on the podium, but then going to the Olympics in Paris showing to the TT next to guys as big as Wout and Filippo Ganna, who are monsters on the bike, and him exploiting everything he has on aerodynamics and power and everything I don't. I'm pretty sure he's the guy with the lowest CDA on the pro peloton. He's so slippery. He's not a very muscular guy.
Speaker 3:Yes, I mean his quads are humongous, but he's not like the biggest guy. I mean it's like, all of a sudden, me going against you on a flat TT. You'd put nine times out of 10 all the money on you because you can push more power. But the fact that he was so slippery on the, on the tt and taking the, the gold and then backing it up on the road race, having a flat, like one kilometer before the finishing line and then, uh, yeah, it was just amazing to watch and what a what a race, but I I don't know if you want to touch a little bit more on this, but on the girl's side we have a very amazing story.
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't know if you want to explain to the audience what happened, because I feel, like you, you deserve explaining it, because you are an american yeah, so we, we had a historical day for american cycling, uh, for sure, and as some of you might know who have listened to the show or followed triathlon, taylor nibb gave up her spot in the road race so that she could focus on the mixed team relay, which was the day before the road race. So she felt, oh sorry, the road race was the day before the mixed team triathlon and she didn't want to do the road race and then be tired for the mixed team. So again, kudos to Taylor for giving up her spot. She gave it up to a track cyclist, kirsten Faulkner, up her spot. She gave it up to a track cyclist, uh, kirsten faulkner, who really just started riding less than a 10, 10 years ago. She was a collegiate rower and a hedge fund venture capitalist in new york city and decided to ride a bike a few years ago. And next thing, you know, she's a pro cyclist and on the end, uh, on the team pursuit, uh, cycling team, and gets tapped to do the road race.
Speaker 2:And she had done some recon. I just heard her do an interview yesterday or today. She looked at this course and she knew exactly if she got to the couple mile mark, 5k mark somewhere around there that she had picked a spot where she was going to go and she was racing against the defending Olympic champion and Voss. And Voss, and trying to bridge up to the two of them, pulled her weight up to the lead pack, caught them and then almost instantaneously took off and pulled away from the other three. And you're expecting, okay, they'll let her go and then they'll work together. And the three of them just started looking around like they were getting ready for a sprint finish and there were still a couple kilometers left. They let her go.
Speaker 2:So if you have not watched this race, just go watch the last 10 minutes maybe, because it's epic and it's a really cool finish anyways. So check out Remco's and and and the and the woman's race. But it's what a performance. She literally TT to the end and there was no response. She had to solo ride into the finish. And then you did have a sprint finish for second, third and fourth, and one of them is not going to get a medal and that was a photo finish. So just another epic, epic, epic, cool moment for endurance, sports and cycling and everything that we cover on a daily basis. So kudos to her. And then last night she goes and joins the team pursuit and her and Chloe Dygart team, together with two other teammates, and they drop another gold medal. So this girl, who wasn't even in cycling less than 10 years ago, has now put two gold medals together in less than a few days.
Speaker 3:Amazing, and I mean it's crazy because this happened the exact same last Olympics on the women's road race. I don't know if you remember, but the girl who won was like this you know, just a PhD recently graduated person, just a PhD recently graduated person. And then she took off and the girls had no idea that somebody was up the road and the girl who won second was celebrating as she was winning the gold medal, but somebody had finished before her. Kind of like the same scenario of what happened. But yeah, it's amazing that it happened back-to-back olympics and what a story yeah, really, really cool.
Speaker 2:Uh, so many moments in the olympics. We could. We could have a whole nother show on that, but we're a triathlon podcast, so we try and keep it to cycling and triathlon. So, speaking of triathlon, uh, now that we've kind of done our race results and everything, we've got a big, big iron man coming up and we also have a really cool short course coming up. So I think, uh, jumping into, before we get into the, the start list coming up, the social media post of the week is just check out super try. Uh, super try underscore is their instagram account. They've now announced three of the four teams, so the athletes are coming out and, as we talked about before the Olympics and based on some of the connections I have with the people running Supertri and the coaches, we knew there were going to be a ton of Olympians and, sure enough, your gold medalists are on these teams, your silver medalists are on these teams, your bronze medalists are on these teams.
Speaker 2:The mixed team relay, so super try starting off their season right here in boston august 18th. Um, there's still one team to be announced, so the brownlee team, uh, allister and johnny's team is going to announce their roster, I think probably tomorrow, and so keep your eyes on super try, and right now it is thursday, so we should have an answer from them on Friday when our podcast drops. So check out the SuperTri Instagram social account and give them a follow, because their season in the outdoor world is about to kick off, on August 18th, and then it goes to Chicago and on and on. So really cool opportunity, if you're in the US or in other parts of the world that they hit throughout the year, to check out some of these Olympians up and close.
Speaker 3:Yep 100%.
Speaker 2:And then, real quick, our WTF of the week is the one and only Tomas Jeepers. Yet again and not unsurprising news came out this week that we had somebody else doping. Uh, yeah, and in claiming that they didn't know that they were doping and a lot of different things there, and it's obviously hit close to home to fede and and others, uh, in the mexican region, just because it just starts pointing fingers that don't need to be pointed.
Speaker 2:Um yeah but what an unfortunate situation it's. It's thankful, uh, that the people who he is beat out in some of these races are going to get their money and get their kona slots as well. Yeah, there's a post. There's a post that I put up on our another triathlon podcast, um, that's from a study from a few years ago from water. Uh, that shows that he's probably not going to win his appeal. Uh, based on the way that they are doing this testing, they know whether or not it was consumed which is what he's claiming he did and or if it was taken. Uh, yeah, so unfortunate, uh and so unfortunate, uh, and hopefully we get some cool stories out of it, like andre lopes getting to go to kona uh, yeah, that's awesome and and some others getting some.
Speaker 2:I mean, now patrick lang is your defending texas champion, yeah, so a lot of different things to come over. What is what's your take fed? I know you're you're such a anti-doping um cohort on this and we talk about it all the time, unfortunately, but what's uh, what are your, your gut feelings?
Speaker 3:yeah, I mean uh, it's very heartbreaking to see when and a pro athlete cheats or tries to cheat the system, uh, by doping. Uh, he probably has his reasons. However, I don't see any valid point for somebody who cheats and dopes. It's just not cool. I don't think there's room for dopers in our sport or any sport. And it's funny because a couple of days before all of this happened, I reposted a statement by Michael Phelps that he was saying that he wants lifetime bans for dopers, and a couple days after that, after he posted that and I reposted it, the news broke out. So I was like, yeah, I mean, I don't see why we are forgiving these athletes, uh, for doping, because if they did it once, they're probably going to do it again or they're going to try to find ways to cheat the system, and for now, the situation is not set in stone. I mean, he appealed it but, like you said, he's probably not going to win it. I mean the fact that the statement that he's using is a very poor statement about how he got a positive test.
Speaker 3:Um, I, I mean, and I don't want to say that all dopers sound the same, but they do. They all say it was something bad, they ate. They didn't know they were, they were putting an illegal substance in her on their body, and the fact that he is a mexican triathlete it's a little bit tougher because, uh, you know, it's not that there are a lot of of long distance triathletes and he was one guy who got the Mexican triathlon community excited about. But I guess that if easy comes, easy goes, and I don't want to say his rose to fame was out of nowhere, but it was very sketchy to put it one way or the other, and I'm just glad that the people who are working with the anti-doping agencies and all that catch people that cheat, no matter the ethnicity, no matter what.
Speaker 3:This is not a Mexican problem, this is a sport problem. All nationalities dope, matter what. This is not a mexican problem, this is a sport problem. Um, all nationality is dope. I just think it's the lowest of the low that you could do as an athlete, you know, calling yourself professional and then cheating the system and looking your competitors in the eye and and say congratulations, I bid you, but you know you're dirty. So yeah, yeah, that's yeah, not cool.
Speaker 2:No, and not to make light of it, it has brought out the best in some of the comedic professional athletes in triathlon. Check out Joe Skipper. He's had some fun with it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that was fun.
Speaker 2:There was even one of our previous dopers, Colin Chartier, was called out in a comment.
Speaker 1:That was the best one.
Speaker 2:Somebody said well, colin, uh dopers, colin chartier was uh called out in a. That was the best one. Somebody. Somebody said well, colin, do you need a new realtor? Uh, with your agency, and I think we found somebody we can send your way and colin's like, wants to cheat always, always a good house cleaner or something like that. So, uh, yeah, unfortunately, um. So yeah, I think we've got, we've covered everything we needed to cover today. I think our plan is next week to hopefully have some people on from Super Tri, as we've talked about before. So we'll get into the Super Tri races next week for sure.
Speaker 2:But if we don't get a chance to talk about Frankfurt, let's cover that now, because we've got the start list and it's packed. There are six spots left for Kona, and this is for Ironman Frankfurt, european champs, I think next week, so August 18th, as well, and we've got the likes of Patrick Lange, christian Blumenfeld, matt Hansen, jackson Laundrie, colin Such, robert Gwecki, trevor Foley again.
Speaker 3:Again.
Speaker 2:Paul Schuster, pamfield Perron, clement Mignon, nick Thompson, andre Lopez is going, braden Curry, Bradley Weiss, cam Werf I mean the list goes on and on. This field's packed. But you also got a lot of these guys who are racing for the ironman pro series points. Yeah, not necessarily their kona slots. So the kona slots are going to drop potentially down into 10 plus uh placings, uh, depending on how the race goes for the favorites or the people that already have kona slots yeah, it's going to be.
Speaker 3:it's going to be an interesting race because, like you said, there's going to be people racing for Kona spots being very strategic and then there's going to be people racing for the Ironman Series, so it's going to be like two races within the race. Yeah, it's going to be exciting, for sure.
Speaker 2:It will be interesting because we're now getting into all that stuff we've talked about, where every second counts right.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And you don't want to let a winner go up the road like you do in the Tour de France. Maybe because they're not going after the GC? Well, now every one of these guys are going after the GC.
Speaker 3:True.
Speaker 2:They start the clock though. So even if they're not a contender in the Pro Series, they're starting your clock. Yeah, so even if they're not a contender in the pro series, they're starting your clock, and you might see a Patrick Lango hold on on the bike a little longer than he wants to, because he doesn't want to come from behind in the run and chase people down. You've got Trevor Foley what is his strategy? And so it will definitely be an interesting race, and it's one of those races, too, where the winning time's gone anywhere from just over eight minutes or eight hours to like 740. So what kind of conditions do we get is going to be a factor as well. So I don't know, fed, who do you think is going to take it? And I mean, obviously we're going to have huge Kona implications and huge Pro Series implications, but who do you think is going to take the top step?
Speaker 3:I mean, I think I'm going to go with. Since Jenna's not here, I'm going to go Canadian and I'm going to pick Jackson for the win.
Speaker 2:You think he learned his lesson in Lake Placid, huh?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think so, I think so, and I think he has seen it for a revenge. What about you?
Speaker 2:Man. I mean along the same lines. I think we've got some athletes that have been racing, racing consistently and racing well, and I don't know how you pick against Trevor Foley right now. So I'm going to stick with the kid and I believe a win here would put him right up at the top, depending on how Matt Hanson does and how Patrick Lange does. You've got all the top guys in the pro series there getting ready for Kona. I like our picks, yeah.
Speaker 2:So Jackson and Trevor Fo foley all right, we'll check back in after frankfurt and, uh, hopefully next week we'll have our big super try episode. If not, we'll definitely get back to you, um, with a regular episode and discuss the what we feel about that coming up. But, uh, we don't always ask, but please go give us a follow at another triathlon podcast on instagram. Rate like, do whatever you can to help us out in the podcast world. There's a lot, of, a lot of different options out there, so we appreciate those of you that listen to us and let your friends know about it. So thanks for everyone that that has gotten us to a year plus and, uh, we're just going to keep doing what we do. So, everyone, have a great night. Fed, awesome talking.
Speaker 3:Yeah, good to talk to you, man, all right.
