Episode 77: Triathlon Tea, WTF and Social Media Post of the Week

In this episode of Another Triathlon podcast, Jenna-Caer and Josh discuss their recent training experiences, particularly Josh's trip to Puerto Rico, where he engaged in intense training and heat acclimation. They also touch on upcoming races, including Oceanside and the Boston Marathon, and share insights on training strategies and nutrition. The conversation shifts to the triathlon community, highlighting youth engagement and the importance of building a supportive environment. They delve into recent news in the triathlon world, including updates on the T100 and Pro Series, a doping controversy involving a prominent athlete, and positive performances in endurance sports. The episode concludes with a discussion about Andy Potts joining the US Paratriathlon team and a shoutout to their recognition in Triathlon magazine.

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Personal Updates
02:38 Training Insights from Puerto Rico
05:34 Heat Acclimation and Performance
08:24 Upcoming Races and Goals
11:25 Nutrition and Recovery Strategies
14:03 Triathlon Community and Social Media Buzz
17:05 Lactate Testing and Physiological Insights
19:39 Triathlon Event Updates and Trends
29:37 Pro Athlete Contracts and Race Participation
31:11 Broadcasting Improvements in Triathlon
32:51 Age Group Racing and Sponsorship Dynamics
34:13 Viewership Trends and Athlete Engagement
36:33 The Impact of Athlete Choices on Competitions
39:17 Doping Controversies in Triathlon
43:17 Positive Stories in Endurance Sports
44:19 Garmin Outage and Athlete Reactions
46:06 Transitioning Athletes: Cycling and Triathlon
51:51 Andy Potts: New Role in Paratriathlon




Triathlon, training, performance, nutrition, lactate testing, events, community, racing, heat acclimation, recovery, triathlon, pro athletes, race participation, broadcasting, age group racing, sponsorship, viewership, doping, endurance sports, Garmin outage, cycling, Andy Potts, T100, Ironman pro series

Transcript

Jenna-Caer (00:00.972)
Welcome to another Trathlon podcast brought to you by Mana Apparel. I'm joined this week by Josh. Unfortunately, Fede couldn't make it, but we're gonna dive into everything going on in the Trathlon world right now. Now, while we don't have any races going on, there is always plenty of Trathlon gossip and fun going on. So we will chat through everything with our social media post, what the F, and a bit of Trathlon tea this week and just see where the conversation goes. But to start off, we will catch up with Josh who,

I was a bit jealous looking at your Instagram this week. Tell us where you've been, what you've been up to.

Josh (00:35.516)
Well, it's been a couple of weeks since we recorded. So it's just been busy training and it was all normal building some volume, getting ready for Oceanside and really just getting that base going. And then had an opportunity to pop down to Puerto Rico for a week. One of my coaches athletes lives part-time there. He's born and raised there and lives in New York most of the time.

He has an Airbnb that wasn't being used and he was going down. it's a three bedroom and we had an opportunity to join him. So thank you, Jimmy, for having us down and really awesome location right in Isla Verde, like right off the airport, real close to San Juan airport and access to two different beaches and overlooking the water. amazing views, amazing apartment. And then it was just,

really making a lot of connections and, and, and going to work and going to workmen triathlon. And it was for the first time really, it was just a swim by grunt, swim by grunt, lot of lactate testing. My finger probably needs a band-aid or two, but, got pricked a bunch. And it was a really eye-opening week too, because I haven't been doing a lot of VO2 or threshold work since the marathons last fall. So.

Jenna-Caer (01:35.64)
Not a bad way to go.

Josh (01:58.202)
With that, though, everything that we have been building since I got tested over a year ago in Arizona has really paid off. And there were times where I had to sit and walk around and wait until my lactate dropped below three just to go to the next session and go again. And this time, it took a while to get it up above three and on the track. And I ran all three sessions.

barely had to wait in between and finally got to the pace where we knew with the threshold. And I think I came in with like a three eight or four and then the all out was a six eight when I finished. So I was like, all right, well, we did it right. And I think the six eight went up to like a 10 by the time and then it came back down. Cause after you finish a lactate test, usually the lactate keeps building.

Jenna-Caer (02:53.228)
Yeah, for a while after.

Josh (02:53.496)
as some of our audience might not know. And then you have to find it when it comes back down. So all of that was way better than it was in Arizona a year plus. So all that work that we've done for a year now has really paid off and the bodies responded and went from there right to the pool. And I was like, I gotta do 3000 yards after this.

And, and did that and we get to experience this really cool facility that they have in San Juan and all over the island. There's a bunch of the facilities called Natatoriums and it was, the way it was set up this week was three 25 meter pools. One, one direction, and then two 25s back to back, which could be broken into a full 50. So they've got 75 meters of pool plus a diving platform and water polo and

full stadium seating and it's just really, really epic and really, really cool to do that. So we swam. think we got a pass. So we were told we probably wouldn't be able to get in without a doctor's note and, potentially it'd be some trouble. And we got there and we got in and they looked at our paperwork and they're like, that might not be the right one. We'll just fill it out real quick. Did that took our names and they're like, all right, hop in the pool and do 50.

Jenna-Caer (03:49.806)
was awesome.

Josh (04:15.718)
So we did 50 meters and they're like, okay, you're good to go. And they gave us a three day pass and we didn't pay. was like, don't understand. We paid two bucks to get into the park with the car, but other than that, it was like, so we had a three day pass to this pool and went every day and swam through K and, just really awesome experience to, be a part of something like that. And then the only question was where were we going to bike? cause we were told that the, the biking on the island was not as safe.

Jenna-Caer (04:18.83)
You know how this works.

Josh (04:44.56)
We knew that we had some stuff planned with the triathlon community there on Saturday and Sunday that we'd be able to do like a long group ride. And then on Sunday, we were going to do a pretty much a mini triathlon, half Ironman. And the roads are closed on Sunday. So that we knew. But we got there to this beach called Punta Selena. And it was absolutely epic. We swam, we ran, we did some strength on the beach. And then we got on our bikes and we went out.

And it was about a eight to 10 mile stretch that we rode down and back on. And it was some of the nicest roads I've ever been on. it was rolling ish, but it was tailwind out, headwind back. And I think the least amount of wind we had one day was maybe 12. And the last lap we did on the 56 mile ride we did on Sunday.

Coming back was about 15 to 25 gusts above that. And it was full on headwind and it was amazing to see. And I averaged in 56 miles. still averaged 20 miles an hour on a day. wasn't pushing. was go, go do don't go over 190 norm normalized power. So I had the average normalized power on my computer all day long. And I, I think I finished at one 88 or one.

Jenna-Caer (06:06.442)
at the edge. Yeah, it sounds like you're dealing with some hot temperatures too, some Kona conditions.

Josh (06:13.308)
Yeah, was typically this time of year. And I lived in the Virgin Islands, which is a 20 minute flight away. Typically this time of year, you do get the winds, call them the Christmas winds. And then the temperatures are pretty low, low down there being high 70s, low 80s. The week we were just there, it was pushing 88, 90 Fahrenheit and the humidity was 70 plus every morning and pretty intense.

I was, I think I got like 24 % heat acclimation on the first run I did. And it was like a half hour, 45 minute run outside. Like, so yes, I was a hundred percent heat acclimated according to Garmin within four days. Um, but it started to show too. And cause who knows what that actually means, but by Saturday or Sunday, and I got there on Monday, uh, by Saturday or Sunday, I could, I could feel different.

Jenna-Caer (06:47.692)
Thank

Jenna-Caer (06:53.004)
by fire.

Jenna-Caer (06:57.774)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (07:11.804)
And I could see my body sweating and, and, getting out all of the heat and all of sudden paces became easier. Heart rate started dropping and was able to, really put in some good efforts. And it really came through after we didn't do a full swim. did about 1200 yards in the open water that morning and we got there and I haven't, I had a flat. knew I had a staple in my tire from Saturday and it was fine on Saturday when we rode.

Jenna-Caer (07:12.587)
Absolutely.

Josh (07:41.692)
And then I got there Sunday morning and it wouldn't, it wouldn't pump. I was like, I got to change that out in the pitch dark at six 15 in the morning and on an Island where she's like, so got that done. So that was cool. And it wasn't really anything official. Like we weren't doing a race, but it was a whole group of like 20 of us that were getting in the water and then going on a bike and then going on a run and got in the water to 1200. We took our time doing a transition.

Jenna-Caer (07:49.122)
Yes.

Josh (08:10.716)
Got on the bike and did 56 miles and to only push 190 and still come out with a 20 mile an hour average was really, really cool to see with Oceanside coming up in nine weeks, less than now and able to come off of that and then run four miles off the bike with, with no problem and running into like 25, 30 mile an hour winds at this point and cross winds. it was, it was pretty, pretty epic, but uh,

Yeah, I felt really good position. was in aero in 98 % of that 56 miles and they had a Gatorade station at the end of each loop. And it was the way they set it up is this closed road was five miles out, five miles back. And we've been running that same stretch. So I knew it well. And there must've been 350, 450 people out there biking, running, hand cyclists, fat tire bikes.

Jenna-Caer (08:43.203)
Done.

Jenna-Caer (08:48.173)
sweet.

Jenna-Caer (09:00.249)
wow, really?

Josh (09:08.38)
people with motorized bikes, pacing people who were training and, then a few of their top end age groupers and, and, and our future pro triathlete out there flying. one thing there's, there's no non-drafting rules and things like that, but I, I felt like I was riding alone the whole time and I was riding 19 to 20 mile, 21 miles an hour, but

Jenna-Caer (09:26.647)
Yeah.

Josh (09:35.9)
Obviously way more than that on the way out and a little less than that on the way back and pushing into the headwind. But on one lap, I think it was my, my last full lap out. the last one with tailwind going out to my fifth lap, cause they reached 10 loops. so fifth lap, somebody hopped on my tire as I went by a group of four road cyclists and he literally hopped on my tire. was like, could say usually you could.

Jenna-Caer (10:02.926)
You can like sense it.

Josh (10:03.164)
somewhat see a shout out or you could kind of feel that they're there. Like I think I could hear this guy breathing. He was that tight. And so I was like, all right, well, he wants to go. So I can't let up. All right. Sorry coach. I'm going to have to go over 190. think I, each lap, each five miles was like around 14 and a half to 15 and a half, depending on which direction that one was like, I got to the end and it was 1220. And I was like, we were flying.

Jenna-Caer (10:09.25)
Yeah.

Josh (10:29.692)
And I think I had just over 30 miles an hour on the way out and probably averaged about two 15, two 20 normalized power. So it was, it was really cool. And then I get to the end and I'm like, all right, well, maybe he's going to take a turn and, and, and pull coming back against the headwind. No, he didn't even stay on my tire. was like, screw this.

Jenna-Caer (10:50.498)
just gone. There's something about that when someone like hops on your tire and they don't, you know, it's kind of courtesy a little bit ask or kind of interact with the person a little bit beforehand. But I have done that so many times where someone just like hops on the back of your tire and just like, well, now I have to go. Or even worse is if they do try to take a pull at the front and then slow way down here just like, come on. Yeah.

Josh (11:12.782)
You're not working like I did. I wanted, I wanted that extra speed too. but we had been working on it all week and, and, and staying aero and taking turns between the three of us riding and, and, and my coach and I, especially, and, working on trying to, to, to stay aero and, and really at 10 to 12 meters and, and, and work off of what we're going to be riding in. So it was really, really neat to experience in that, but just being around that whole atmosphere, I like, I.

I just had so much dopamine just like riding with all these people out there on a Sunday in a closed road atmosphere and such really cool weather and, and like hand cyclists flying in this temperature. It was, it was almost like being in a, in a race at an Ironman. Cause you had all walks of life, all ages. And it was just really neat. And we were told we might not be able to ride while we were down there. And my coach brought her trainer, which we use for my lactate testing. I got, got that. Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (12:09.516)
Yeah, easier way to do that for sure.

Josh (12:12.284)
Man, and that last three minutes all out on the bike on the trainers, pretty crazy with the lactate testing. So that, and that went really well too. Um, way better than last year and still didn't swim lactate tests. were trying to keep them down and I did one. 400 get out of the pool, lactate tested myself and it was like seven, nine on my cap. Still not ready to be lactate tested on the pool, my swimming is way better. And we know that.

And now it's, now it's, and it was a 20 over 20 hour week, which, mean, I don't think I'd been anywhere over 16 really. And, so for the body to handle it. then today went and hopped in the pool for another 3,400 and still have a little bit of a run to do tonight. So body responded really excited and just found out yesterday that I was registered officially for Oceanside and I am.

Jenna-Caer (12:47.63)
of.

Jenna-Caer (13:08.021)
and sleep.

Josh (13:09.208)
officially going to be registering for the Boston Marathon tomorrow. So got that official news literally as I got on the plane to come home yesterday. I got all of this at the same time. So Ocean Side April 5th and then the marathon on April 21st.

Jenna-Caer (13:13.14)
wicked. All of the race dreams are coming true.

You

You're already on a high of the big week.

Jenna-Caer (13:29.134)
that'll be epic. But it goes to speak to that you felt so good on such a big training week, bigger than you typically do. The difference when you kind of take real life and like all those work and all those house obligations, all of that stuff out and you can just kind of eat, sleep, train, recover. It makes a massive difference on the energy it takes to do something like a 20 hour training week.

Josh (13:52.974)
Yeah. And it was really neat to, and there was a lot of work that I was doing on the side when we weren't training, but the recovering the nutrition that we talked about, like my wife and I are going to really clean all that up at home because we're right there at a level where like, why not? And our lives have gotten so much better with the extra training that we've been doing. So why not go that next step and just eat a little cleaner and sleep a little better and recover better. mean, I had some recovery scores on.

It was the biggest week yet, but if you are scared of a big volume week, don't be. It's just you got to do it under a controlled environment and don't just go from eight hours to 20.

Jenna-Caer (14:26.574)
Take that light scissor.

Jenna-Caer (14:36.384)
Yeah, and don't do the big volume weeks on top of a stressful life week. Big work week. All of that stuff makes it so much harder.

Josh (14:40.134)
the

Very, very true. Yeah, it was definitely a big week and I got a lot of work done in terms of career stuff and all that's looking up and about. So a lot of opportunities going on and really excited about it.

Jenna-Caer (14:58.254)
Oh, that's wicked though. I'm so happy to hear you finally got confirmation on the ocean side in the Boston. It's always harder training for a race when you don't know for sure, for sure you're in, right?

Josh (15:08.144)
Yeah. And neither one of them are going to be A races. So it was like, wasn't like, I need to know for sure. And we got to tackle it like, Oceanside, this will be my third year in a row doing it. It's going to be, I know I should be able to go faster. I know I should be able to come in with a better time on a good day. But it's not going to be an A race. And I think that's important to keep Oregon as that and Chicago as that. And then the Boston Marathon.

Hopefully just find somebody that I can paste to their PR and, and leave it at that. Cause there's no way in heck I'm going to be ready for a PR at Boston. Right. With, with my longest run being about nine or 10 miles right now. So yeah, exactly. Knowing what my wife is doing every weekend. No, I'm not, but we'll get to the finish line.

Jenna-Caer (15:45.058)
You're doing it my style. Jump into a race car. Just go do a marathon.

Jenna-Caer (15:53.186)
You're great on track.

Jenna-Caer (16:01.826)
Yeah, but that's the fun part. You've been putting in so much training over the last couple years here that you have that foundation now where you can just go do that. Right? That's it. Like a few years ago, could you ever imagine you're like, well, there's a marathon and what 12 weeks or something. I'm just going to go jump in, start training now for it.

Josh (16:07.663)
Always be ready.

Josh (16:20.188)
Now, how about your training in your week? You've got 140.6 miles to get ready for. How's that going?

Jenna-Caer (16:28.57)
It's going good. Yeah. I, you know what? The last couple of years training was kind of on the back burner and work was a little bit more of a focus and it has been so much fun since Kona.

Training has been full on and just feeling good. I've been able to focus on it a little bit more, balance out life a little bit better. And it's come to the point where I start to feel like actually fit, like start to see some familiar numbers that I have years ago when I was training a lot more hardcore and stuff. And that is just the biggest motivator when it's like, okay, we can still, we can still do this. My fit in the time is still good. So it's been a ton of fun the last little while just starting to get over that hump where you can

actually see the fitness coming through, which is a good place to be. It started to introduce, so I was doing some big volume weeks. Now I'm kind of alternating volume with intensity. And that's one thing I think is always good to remind athletes, if you are building up the volume and you kind of switch over to more intensity.

The volume has to come down a little bit to be able to incorporate that intensity or else you're just going to burn yourself out so quickly. I've seen athletes make that mistake in the past. like, okay, I'm up to 18 hour training weeks.

And it's all been aerobic in zone two. Next week I'm going to do a couple of VO2 sessions or threshold sessions, but still keep it at that high volume. always a good thing to remember if you are increasing the intensity, volume has to go down a little bit. As much as you want to hold on to those gains, and I know it's hard to let go of, you won't get the most out of either of them. That's why we have those zones, because triathletes are really bad at going hard-ish.

Jenna-Caer (18:07.79)
It's not hard enough to get into that VO2 in threshold, but it's not easy enough to build that aerobic foundation. They're always just kind of in between, but just kind of burns you out and doesn't make the most of either of those. So this was a good reminder, throwing in some of that hard stuff that the volume does need to go back down to take advantage of it. Just finished some VO2 work, which not my favorite, but...

The cool thing was after really not having done intensity on the bike for probably the last five, six months, all of that volume has set the foundation that it actually felt pretty solid and the numbers were good. So that was really fun to see that coming back and just kind of having completely flattened the legs with the volume, say. No, it's been good to just kind of have some fun with it.

Josh (18:54.554)
It would, the more I thought about it last week too, I was like, man, if, if Jenna could be down here training right now, it'd be like, even my coach, who's, mean, she's going to try and qualify for Kona at Texas. She's like, she's got to figure out a way to get back down there. And, and cause it's literally, you get a good week like that of whether it is just spot on what, without having to travel all the way over to why or do something similar to that or, or heat train in the winter.

Jenna-Caer (19:00.566)
Yeah, amazing.

Jenna-Caer (19:07.777)
Mm-hmm.

Jenna-Caer (19:21.944)
Totally.

Josh (19:24.348)
It was pretty awesome. So it's awesome to hear that your body's responding, going through all of the heck that you're putting it through and all the different aspects of the ways that you need to train it to get ready for Taiwan. It's pretty impressive.

Jenna-Caer (19:37.976)
Yeah.

And I would have much rather been outside for this weekend's training than indoors on the trainer like I was. So typically I did my usual kind of in that 12 weeks out, I like to put in a few big bike volume weeks because the bike is definitely where I make my...

mark on the race. But usually I'm racing in August, September. So those big bike volume weeks, 12 weeks out or outside playing in the Rocky Mountains, getting some sunshine. It's snowing, so that's not going to happen this time. So I ended up spending 10 hours on the trainer over two days. And I definitely would have much rather been outside but bundled up.

Got it done, lot of time in a swift, just going around and around in circles. the cool thing was with just sessions like that, they're a mental and physical grind. But it's one of those things that I think just builds that confidence for Ironman especially. Because you know, kind of have that strength, that endurance and mentally you can just kind of get through it at the end of the day. So it was good to see the legs were good for that. And then last week starting to pump up some of the intensity.

A lot of the running I've been doing has been on crazy inclines and again, layers of clothing, heat training. One, mostly for the physiological benefits, but two, for race day has the potential to be 30 plus degrees or what, 90, 100 degrees in Fahrenheit. So I actually did a run the other day and most of run work has been aerobic just on inclines and with the heat training.

Jenna-Caer (21:17.72)
but I did a run the other day on a flat treadmill with no heat, with a fan on. I miss my fan a lot with the fan on. And my zone two pace has dropped like over 30 seconds per mile. And last.

month and a half, two months. So it was one of those good kind of check-ins that, okay, that aerobic foundation training, it works. It definitely helps bump that up. And it was almost a case of my legs weren't fast enough to make my heart rate go to the top of zone two when I actually had some bands on and not crazy inclined. So if you're ever doubting, if you put in a solid block in zone two, it can definitely help you get a lot faster at a lower heart rate, which is...

What you're looking for when it comes to these endurance events 70.3 Ironman, that zone too is still absolutely king.

Josh (22:07.088)
Let me ask you a question too, because this came up with my coach and even the other athlete that was there too. kind of were wondering, and this goes back to last December when I was tested. Have you found doing any type of lactate testing in the past where there might be, cause we didn't do like a baseline, like when you wake up and test, like what are you at like static? Are there...

people that just have a higher bottom lactate. So instead of me waking up with a 0.5 or a 1.0, is there a physiological capability of somebody who just wakes up and they're at a 1.8 or a 2? And that's where they, so are there, is my 3.5 a little different than everyone else's 3.5? And that was the things we didn't look up. I haven't looked it up yet, but just questions that we had.

because of the way my heart rate reacted and the way I was capable of pushing Watts and speed and coming off the bike. And when we tested it during the week, it would be like 3.6. And I was like, that was a pretty easy effort feeling wise, but the lactate was there. So I wonder if you had ever done any research on that or, or is there any different bottom base level?

Jenna-Caer (23:28.694)
Yeah, yeah, so like anything when you're talking people's physiology, it definitely varies to a degree. Like if you look at threshold heart rates, if you're to do those online calculators, they're taking a massive data set and finding the averages. You'll have outliers like Alain El-Sanders, who his threshold is like 20, 30 beats lower than what it should be according to his age kind of deal. So person to person, there's definitely some variation in there.

And lactate's the same. It's probably smaller ranges, but you're definitely going to see those differences between people. Then there are other things that come into play, just the recovery status that can have a big effect on it. Making sure you're testing a lot of times if you have some sweat on the...

strips that can make a very very big difference in there as well. So it's not easy in a hot condition especially to get perfect lactate strip tests but there is definitely some variation between person to person. We're looking at kind of a

about 4.0 or about 2.0. Like these are benchmarks that kind of make it easier for the everyday person to understand what's going on in there. But if you're to really dive into it with very specific testing with an expert in the field, kind of think they'd be able to find variations for sure and find what your exact number is or that crossover point, right?

Josh (24:48.41)
Yeah, exactly. And we've, we factored in like, all right, you've had a ton of volume and so going for the plan's going to account for AI ran in 85. And we did the testing at like 12 31 PM. Like the heat of it all. but that was fine. I mean, it still pushed out. One of the other things that I learned too, with lactate testing was during the track session, I had a carb drink mix and all that. was like,

No, no, no, don't drink that. Once you start the whole thing. So I guess that the carbs can have an impact on the sodium or the carb actually have an impact on the lactate reading. So try and stick to just water during the actual testing period.

Jenna-Caer (25:34.678)
Yeah, and it's really interesting too, everyone kind of like it's you don't under- don't feel it sometimes with how your body is responding to the lactate. Like when I do lactate threshold testing, I have to have a very long warm-up. Or else I'll see something like the first step of the test, I'll be kind of moderate. Next step of the test, my lactate goes way up, like 5.0 kind of thing. Even though the effort doesn't feel that hard, that's just how my body responds to it on, well.

fatigued legs too, which doesn't help either. But then as I keep going, reset, it'll come back down and then it'll have that nice curve as you go up. that's why it's really interesting with lactate. Sometimes it deviates a little bit more from your feel because there are so many factors that can be taken into account when it comes to lactate testing. It's really interesting. It's something I keep wanting to do more of on my own as like a test of one, but.

then it just seems like a lot of work sometimes.

Josh (26:33.216)
It is a lot of work. even, even with two or three of us doing it this week, it was, it was a lot. the one we did want to get was my, my last one after that 190 normalized day. But my coach is like, crap. just used the last one on Jimmy. I didn't actually get that reading, which it would have been really interesting to see at the end of a huge week like that. but yeah, yeah. And then I did a.

Jenna-Caer (26:43.182)
Thank

Jenna-Caer (26:49.78)
no.

Jenna-Caer (26:57.998)
And see what finds that.

Josh (27:00.924)
I ran on a beach. don't know if I've ever run on a beach to run in shoes. So that was my last run and the first 20 or so minutes was on the beach. then I did 10 around the neighborhood and then jumped in a pool and went to the airport.

Jenna-Caer (27:17.473)
Maybe it's an unpopular opinion, but running on the beach is way overrated. It's just not a good feeling. It's pretty.

Josh (27:21.788)
Yeah, it's not easy. Unless you get a perfectly compact beach and it's low tide. No, this was not the greatest. But it felt good on the Achilles after that week.

Jenna-Caer (27:30.19)
Mm.

Jenna-Caer (27:37.609)
Well, let's jump into what's going on in the triathlon world outside of our own training. There's definitely been a few things going on. Why don't we start with social media posts a week? I think we're going to have some jumping off points to talk about from there.

Josh (27:53.402)
Yeah. So we've all kind of been seeing the leaks of certain events within the T 100 schedule. I think it started with Vancouver and we saw that at June 13th, 15th, and then they dropped the grand final, which let's fingers crossed. We're actually going to have a grand final this year in Qatar on December 12th to 13th. so that's really interesting. and we will have a full season of.

Jenna-Caer (28:08.386)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (28:15.277)
Yeah.

Josh (28:22.798)
eight events leading into that. So now nine total races starting in Singapore again, and then San Francisco, Vancouver, French Riviera, London, Spain, Lake Las Vegas. So Spain and Lake Las Vegas are still TBA. So we'll go from August 9th, 10th in London to Spain and Lake Las Vegas TBA on the dates and then Dubai, November 15th, 16th, and then

about a month later, December 12th, 13th, T100. So we thought the Ironman Pro Series was a long season last year. This is the exact same thing, but nine races. So they are now competing head to head more so than ever before. April 5th to 6th, Singapore is the exact same week as Oceanside, a week after South Africa, Ironman. So it'll be very interesting to see how the whole wild card situation plays out.

throughout the year and what athletes really go for it. This is year two, we're gonna start to really see some things, but it's neat to see a schedule laid out and Spain and French Riviera and Vancouver and Dubai and Qatar joining the list. So let's hope it all works out.

Jenna-Caer (29:39.15)
Yeah, yeah, and if you look at Dubai, it's only a week after the 70.3 World Championships too, and then.

They'll have a bit of time before Qatar. So definitely going to be some crossover there. But I feel like this year we are seeing a little bit more of a divide between the 70 point or between the Ironman Pro Series and the T100. And while we haven't, I don't think we really talked too much about the people racing, but T100 is definitely gone short course. Like if you look at this list now, it is short course racing for something that started out as having more representation for long distance.

triathletes. We're definitely seeing that this distance favors the short course athletes and you see it within the field too. have a few couple 70.3 specialists. Really the big names you're seeing in Ironman are like the Lucy Charles is

going to be racing against a lot of short course athletes. We've got a few others in here, but we're mostly seeing Olympic distance athletes coming through and racing in this. So I think the Ironman Pro Series really did what Ironman set out to do. And that was to get pros to commit a little bit more to their series. Because T100, it's just become so specialized. Like you have to be that short, fast racer.

Josh (31:02.064)
Yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see how the crossover works this year. I think that's gonna be one of the biggest differences that we see. You're not gonna have athletes doing both as well as they were able to do this year.

Jenna-Caer (31:16.918)
Yeah, like there's not a lot of big names from Iron Man distance in the men's side. Like you got Sam Long, but it sounds like he's going to commit really to T-100 to go after it. Yeah, all the while short.

Josh (31:29.978)
Yeah, Sam thinks he can do anything.

Jenna-Caer (31:34.702)
Definitely. And then another interesting part too is they've kind of come out with what the pro athletes have to do. So initially we were hearing that they were going to have to do a lot more races because there would be more races for them to do. But it sounds like there was some conflicts with the contract negotiation with pro athletes in case we're not going to do more for the same or less pay. So something has to change here. So to get people to sign on, changed it to athletes are going to have to do four of the races plus the grand final in Qatar.

So five races total to get their points to go towards the T100 top rankings in there. Be interested to see as we go kind of who picks and chooses and like you said, who the wild cards will be jumping in.

Josh (32:16.602)
And it also be interesting to see if they ever get what they are shooting for too, getting these contracted athletes to more and more races. Like you can see where they're trying to get to. They just haven't figured out how to do it contractually yet and get the same level of athlete. So they're going to keep upping the bar and hopefully I think their goal is.

T100 becomes an advertiser's dream or a sponsor's dream like Iron Man still is that Mecca. And if T100 gets there, I think the organization is going to start to push, OK, now you're to do six races next year. I still don't see that happening anytime soon. I still think we're years away from that actually getting there. But they're going to try and push the envelope.

Jenna-Caer (32:47.406)
I'm

Jenna-Caer (32:56.056)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (33:02.979)
Thank

Jenna-Caer (33:06.99)
And you know they've really been making strides in the actual broadcasting of the races and the commentators that they have going in. are doing a fantastic, we saw the last few races of the series there. They really stepped it up and made it something a lot more entertaining to watch. Started to get the graphics on screen, the variety of commentators down on the course and up in the studios. So they really made massive strides there. The first couple of races, like, this is looking like Ironman or WorldTravel. It's just nothing special. So it's cool to see they've

stepped it up there for sure. the question is now they're kind of pivoting before they weren't going to have age group racing. Now they're pushing heavy on the age group racing side because they're seeing like sponsors want to sell to the people buying the stuff and that's age groupers. And you see it with a lot of the pro athletes sponsorship contracts too. Ironman is still the event where they're going to get the biggest bonuses that sponsors are most intrigued with or want to spend the money on because again, that's their direct line to the average age group triathlete.

Josh (33:50.96)
Yep. Yep.

Jenna-Caer (34:06.8)
That's who's buying this.

Josh (34:09.98)
Yeah, absolutely. And the number of events in the Ironman age group world that are already sold out for 2025, that's your answer right there. mean, 70 point, there's a, there's, and there's only a so many Ironman distance races too. So they, they know they're getting athletes who are very dedicated to the sport and, and showing up and spending money on this and finding ways to get to the races. So I know how much money I spend on.

Jenna-Caer (34:17.282)
Yeah.

Josh (34:39.856)
the sport and I know there's others that spend more and so T100 is going to need that age group aspect to it in order for the advertisers to fall.

Jenna-Caer (34:40.396)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (34:48.942)
Yeah, absolutely. So we'll see how they go. The other question will be kind of what the pricing looks like it. We're already seeing, I've heard some complaints already that the prices have gone up significantly from last year with the T100 races and you can see how obviously they need money to sustain it. They're putting out a lot to put on these pro races, but

Until you kind of have that proof of concept that T100 is something special or an elevated experience, you kind of need to that trust with the age group athletes. Like people will pay a premium for Oceanside.

cause they know it's going to be this big event well run. It's tried and tested and true kind of thing. So I know with the few events they've come out, it is a little bit pricier. Curious to see as we have some of these new locations, what that looks like. Cause I don't think they're quite at the point where they can charge a premium or kind of Ironman pricing for it, especially their initial edict was we're going to make it affordable, right? Same, but be curious to see if they can get more of the age group buying into it. think if they do,

Set up some kind of world championship or have something that people are striving for That definitely makes a big difference because right now you say I've done a t100 race No one really knows Where so hopefully they can make something epic and they're definitely making strides with some cool locations to make it Fun to watch and hopefully get a little bit more buzz going

Josh (36:03.426)
Yeah.

Josh (36:16.314)
Yeah, I think that they've found their niche in terms of where they want to hold these races and there's something to it and there's something there. also, and we all know that Jack Kelly at the Triathlon Hour loves his polls and his research. It does seem a little interesting recently though that it's like, Jack Kelly their research arm? And trying to figure out how much the shift has happened. And then you start to see some of the results in his polls this last week and it's like.

Jenna-Caer (36:30.7)
I'm getting weird.

Josh (36:46.454)
Kona women almost beat the men and niece in terms of viewership and, and, what events do you want to watch? And I think the losers in his poll were WTCS and Super Tribe, it was kind of pushing you that way anyways. but in terms of T 100 and, and Ironman, anyone who's watching any of those anyways, just wants to watch triathlon.

Jenna-Caer (36:52.844)
that.

Josh (37:10.748)
So they're just going to watch it anyways. And that's us. And that's our listeners. And those are the people showing up to multiple Ironman events a year and getting their bronze or their silver or their gold, AWA status. That's what people are looking to advertise with. But it's very interesting to see Jack, who is an announcer for the T100, doing that type of research right now.

Jenna-Caer (37:12.386)
Yes.

Jenna-Caer (37:32.876)
Yeah, I think it's half research. A lot of it is Instagram algorithm trying to get the clicks and the views and stuff at the same time too. it is interesting to see. Yeah. It is interesting to see some of the results in there. And it's definitely like we see everywhere age group athletes, they skew towards Ironman, that's what they what they know. And Super Try is a funny one because it's such a short season that I think people kind of forget about it outside of that.

Josh (37:41.532)
It's all part of the process.

Jenna-Caer (38:00.982)
eight weeks, but it's running. We have all these other series now are so long throughout like this crazy long season. And then Super Try is just kind of wedged in there.

Josh (38:11.996)
I agree. I'm still a huge fan of Super Try and what it's doing, what it's promoting. It'll be really neat to see who does perform and sign on to Super Try this year. I know their contracts are really lucrative, so there's a chance to make some good money there. And it'll be interesting to see if there's any changes with the teams this year, but I'm excited for it. And even the E Super Try coming up soon, mean, Cassandra is going to be there. They're going to have big names and people who like Triathlon are going to like Super Try.

So I'm not really worried about it.

Jenna-Caer (38:43.182)
This year, wonder how WTCS is going to do with viewership because we see all of their big names are doing other things like Alexey is running marathons. got a bunch of the athletes are going to be doing T100 or like you said, SuperTry. This could be a chance for new names to of pop up if they don't have the usual kind of top end people focused on WTCS.

But is that gonna make people wanna watch it less? There's a bunch of unknowns. My prediction is this year we're gonna see like an epic rise of like Gwen Jorgensen because she's been on the comeback trail and as an awesome athlete. But at the same time, the people she's been competing against a lot, a lot of them aren't gonna be starting.

Josh (39:28.316)
Right. Yeah, it definitely is going to be an interesting thing. And they're starting what in a couple of weeks, right? In Dubai. So, and I think in Hayden wild is on that start list, but after that race, how many, how many of his, of those events is he going to be showing up at? I don't know if he'll be at any others, um, other than the Dubai race. So to be determined there, I think you're spot on though. It's going to be an interesting season in their calendar.

Jenna-Caer (39:41.699)
I

Jenna-Caer (39:55.414)
Yeah, they have some big ones like Taylor Spivey is not going to be there. Kate Waj, Jess Lierman, Hayden Wild, Leo Bregère, Vincent Louis, Maureen Pearson. They're all going to be focused on T100. We saw Georgia Taylor Brown. She's focusing on cycling this year, it looks like. So we're not going to be seeing her at the WTCS races.

Josh (39:58.79)
Yeah.

Josh (40:15.618)
Yeah, non-Olympic. mean, there's really no impact to the points and like, they're like, if we just all take the year off, we're good. We're just all come back and then we'll climb the point standings again.

Jenna-Caer (40:18.836)
Yeah, exactly.

do other things. Yeah, jump back into it. So I'm curious, there could be like, it'll either be a bunch of new names will kind of come through and we'll get to see some of the upcoming talent, which is always exciting. Or there's going to be a couple solid athletes that just dominate because that top five maybe get one or two showing up to it and they'll just be miles and miles ahead of everyone.

Josh (40:47.588)
It's, mean, it, there's a, there's a positive to all this too, because there are athletes and obviously Gwen's on the back end of her career and hopefully can keep going at it for a little while longer. But there are up and coming athletes that this is, this is how you used to make your career. You started in short course in night and you worked your way up. This might open an opportunity. This is a great.

Jenna-Caer (41:02.53)
Okay.

Josh (41:13.594)
year for those athletes who maybe haven't had the performances, maybe mentally are questioning whether or not they're doing the right thing. And it might only take one or two good events and good races to literally change their lives and change the trajectory just mentally and the confidence that they can grab from it.

Jenna-Caer (41:21.614)
Hmm.

Jenna-Caer (41:33.07)
Totally, and that's the exciting part about this. There may be some names you don't recognize, but there's still gonna be some ethic racing because to those people on course, it means everything. Well, we'll jump into what the F of the week here and reading more into this, this what the F is because this guy just doesn't give an F really. we've had the USADA has banned Poland's Robert Kras.

Josh (41:42.595)
Exactly.

Jenna-Caer (42:00.6)
He's a multiple world record holder in the ultra distance triathlons. He has been banned for eight years because he failed his, not first, second anti-doping test in the last two years. So he definitely has had some crazy performances. He's done a lot of the double ultra ultra triathlons, but his biggest one was he did the

Deca ultra triathlon, which it was a continuous race and there's a 38 kilometer swim, 1800 kilometer bike and 422 kilometer run, which is absolutely insane. So it sounds like he was pot for doping and he had a a couple sanctions with it.

But the reason this guy just does not give an F, so he's decided if he's going to be banned from doing official events, he's going to go do try to set a goal of 150 Iron Distance races in 150 days to set a new record. So he's like, F it. Exactly. That's exactly it. it's one I'm surprised he got popped.

Josh (43:05.904)
So he's just gonna become Insta-famous.

Jenna-Caer (43:15.532)
like that they caught him, which is very, good to see that they are kind of testing age groupers. And I'm sure it was one of those cases of people seeing some crazy performances and maybe questioning, but it still sucks to see doping in our sport. Really, you're, especially for an amateur athlete in there, doing these epic challenges is supposed to be about challenging yourself and just doing something crazy. That's insane. And you know what, if you got to take drugs to do it, yeah.

Josh (43:39.452)
All

multiple times.

Jenna-Caer (43:45.024)
I mean, where's the satisfaction in that?

Josh (43:48.934)
No, go to Puerto Rico and train for 20 plus hours a week and then see you.

Jenna-Caer (43:51.476)
There you go.

I mean, these events are insane, like the DECA and stuff, but still, just, it's disappointing to hear, because I know people get inspired by some of those crazy performances, and to learn that they're doing it with some outside aid is unfortunate, but thankfully it shows that we

Josh (43:58.373)
Yeah.

Josh (44:11.142)
Go listen to our interview with Caroline Lives and you can see what it's supposed to be about.

Jenna-Caer (44:15.86)
Mm-hmm, exactly. Suffer through, get it done. Man, I just, you know, I hope if he does go do that 150 iron distance races, it sounds mean, but I hope he doesn't get the attention for it kind of thing. So it's just, I don't know, just you get popped for doping twice and say, screw it, I'm just gonna do my own thing, but it just, it's against everything the spirit of Trapon is about.

Josh (44:28.411)
Yeah.

Josh (44:38.62)
I, I agree. I will not be following it. Uh, I have followed the others, the iron cowboy and, and, and some of the most recent ones in the last couple of years that we've talked about. I don't see any reason to follow that. mean, now I, since we have last recorded to speaking of Epic long endurance events, there was a lady who just completed 366 days straight of a marathon.

So last year was a leap year. So there was the extra day. that's for the, that's the reason for the three 66, 366 days. And then there was a female that just won an Epic ultra running race where it was over three days straight, 83 hours. And it's really interesting to see the females absolutely crushing these longer.

Jenna-Caer (45:10.286)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (45:27.256)
crazy races and, and doing it at an older age and the body's response is almost more beneficial for a female to take on these types of challenges too, it seems. so twisting Jenna's WTF into a more positive story. We had some pretty epic performances done correctly, that we just haven't had a chance to talk about in the last couple of weeks. So yeah.

Jenna-Caer (45:27.394)
Hmm.

Jenna-Caer (45:44.205)
No.

Jenna-Caer (45:49.934)
No, that is very cool. That is absolutely epic and just the mental and physical fortitude to do stuff like that is unreal. That's very exciting to see.

Well, we'll jump into a little bit of trathlontique because we haven't had any racing to chat about the most recently, even though that is going to be kicking off very soon, like you said, with the WTCS and we'll be jumping into the Ironman Pro Series T100 and everything else going on. But we'll start one of our trathlontique that actually happened today was the Garmin outage. We started, I started staying it on.

Twitter X this morning that people were, anytime they're trying to start a workout that had GPS associated with it, their watch was basically defaulting to the Garmin kind of triangle screen and just getting frozen there and not moving. So a lot of athletes were seeing that across the world right now. And man, when your Garmin doesn't cooperate, I mean, if you're looking to slack off today with your coach to say, it is the Garmin outage, I didn't get it done.

Josh (46:43.868)
Yeah.

Josh (46:55.452)
Just completed 45 minutes at the pool, we're done.

Jenna-Caer (46:57.516)
Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy to see an out is like that. Garmin's usually pretty solid. And it seems like such an odd thing that only if you use GPS, it'll get stuck in this route. So I know a lot of people are freaking out about that all day.

Josh (47:08.878)
TBS, yeah.

Josh (47:14.554)
Yeah, my Garmin worked perfectly fine at the pool today. And, but if I was in Puerto Rico yesterday and this happened, it wouldn't have, cause I was doing all GPS activities outside and had been for a week. So it was a good timing being back in the winter and Jen and I do a lot of indoor training this time of year. Not much GPS going forward. maybe a couple of runs here and there.

Jenna-Caer (47:36.654)
Yeah, actually the weather turned it up for me for my birthday yesterday and I got to run outside for the first time in a while and it was very, very nice, but it's going back down to minus 25 later this week, so got a taste of the outside.

Josh (47:47.354)
Yeah. I believe it's probably snowing outside of here right now too. yeah, came home to snow and luckily I'd asked somebody to pull out my driveway other than that. Not looking forward to it.

Jenna-Caer (47:59.79)
There we go. So another bit of news in the triathlon tee. We have, we briefly mentioned it, Georgia, Georgia Taylor Brown, who has definitely been a standout in the SuperTrain WTCS series. Sounds like she's switching up things next year to again, take advantage of this year where Olympic points aren't really on the board and you can try something new. She's going to give cycling a go.

So she was out training with the EF education team on their training camp for 10 days and getting a taste of what the pro cycling life looks like. And it sounds like she said, I don't really know. I might not see me in a travel and you might, might see me in a cycling race, but I'm just kind of doing it feels good. So be curious to see where she goes next year and what happens.

Josh (48:45.788)
We're seeing more and more of it, right? And it's not just the, well, it actually is a lot of the Olympic athletes who have trained for four years for Paris, three years for Paris coming off of Tokyo in 2021. So there's a lot of that. There's the Alex E going for the London marathon and the 10K he just ran. Morgan Pearson just ran a, what a one oh one oh one in Houston half marathon. Good for 15th place.

Jenna-Caer (49:10.286)
He's disappointed. Yeah, he's disappointed by that. He's like, I had an average day.

Josh (49:16.632)
Did this disappointed that he couldn't run a 59 17 American record, um, which Connor Manstead, uh, who will be running Boston as well. So it is really, really cool to see these triathletes go after an individual sport as well, because that's where most of us got our start. And most of them got their start in one or two other sports and. And to see what the body's capable of pushing and it at the end the day, it's going to help.

Jenna-Caer (49:20.686)
So.

Josh (49:44.829)
their training overall, and it helps rejuvenate the mind and the spirit. I, I had just been kind of, kind of just training and moving on. Like you said, there was no race actually confirmed. There was no a race coming up close and I was coming off a niggle and an injury type fall and winter. And then I go to Puerto Rico and it just kind of rejuvenated everything. And, and the sea and the sun do that anyways. changing up your routine.

Jenna-Caer (49:48.79)
He was the biggest thing.

Josh (50:14.458)
does as well. people talk about that all the time and going and changing up triathlons is going to get you so far. But if you go change it into a cycling aspect or change it into a marathon type world, then that's always a good thing too for your mental health and keeping you excited about coming back to triathlon. I think that's exactly what she's doing. And she's got the capability on the bike. We know she's a runner.

Right, so let's see what she can do on the bike.

Jenna-Caer (50:45.666)
Yeah, I'm really curious. I'd love to hear more for insights of how it goes if she does jump into some cycling races, because it's just such a different thing. You can be the fittest person in the world on a bicycle, but the whole peloton dynamics is something that is so drastically different from triathlons. It'd be really cool to hear how she deals with that and what her experience is if she does do some of these bigger cycling races and get into that peloton.

Josh (50:58.907)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (51:11.608)
race with EF Educationally and just be a domestic or see what kind of rider she is. I know that's why Paula Finley, she wanted to do the time trials and same with Taylor Nibb, they were good at the time trials but riding in that pack is so different that they didn't want to be in the road race in there. So it'd be cool to see her switched up, get into the cycling world and just see what a track lead can do in it because we've definitely seen in running they can make their mark.

Josh (51:18.332)
Yeah.

Josh (51:27.708)
actually cycling.

Josh (51:37.882)
Well, we'll see if she's real serious about it if you start seeing her riding with cam or for some.

Jenna-Caer (51:43.404)
There we go. Getting in there. Man, what's his season going to look like next year?

Josh (51:49.18)
He signed up for every race. That'll be another interesting thing too, how Ironman handles that scheduling for their pros. Cause that became a pretty big issue last year. Cause there were so many athletes who just signed up for all of them on the pro series and protected their butts when they realized things were starting and lists were starting to close. So that will be interesting to see how that's handled this year.

Jenna-Caer (51:56.215)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (52:11.982)
Yeah, I wonder if they do have any new process in place because I know especially Texas, there were some big names that wanted to race it and couldn't get in because it was closed and that kind of threw off the start of their Ironman series run and a few of them decided not to do the Ironman Pro Series because they couldn't get into the first couple races. So it's like, okay, now you're already on the back foot. So hopefully they've maneuvered around that a little bit better this year or else everyone is just going to throw their names on everything from the start. A lottery to get in.

Josh (52:40.22)
Yeah. Very interesting stuff. And, uh, I'm actually hoping I'm in, uh, conversations with this triathlon community that I just hung out with in Puerto Rico and their athlete and the young kids. This was, you'd love this, Jenna. So we had my coach who had won 70.3 Puerto Rico last year. They all knew who she was and, and they didn't, because she was the winner, they had invited her to give a quick talk to the kids. Um, they had, uh,

An open water swim competition, one K, three K, five K and on Saturday and then Sunday was like the 10 K. so after these kids did their triathlon practice Saturday morning, they came and sat down with her, on the beach and, picked her brain. And these were seven, eight, 10, 12 year olds. And they were asking questions like, do you even know that asking her what her nutrition is for a certain training or, or.

Jenna-Caer (53:37.494)
Morgana

Josh (53:38.864)
what her strategy is in certain races. I was blown away and she had their attention for almost an hour. And these are just little kids sitting on a beach where they could just be playing and running around. And it was really cool to see. this is why I'm so happy to have been a part of this week and get to meet all these people. It'd be really cool to maybe have them or have somebody like that on the podcast one time, just talk about building a triathlon community and why they do it.

And this guy quit his job and this is what he does full time now. So it'd be really cool. We'll see if we can make it work to get something like that on it's off season time. So maybe a cool little interview and inspire some others to do something similar.

Jenna-Caer (54:23.968)
Yeah, definitely. That is very cool to hear. Well, we have another piece of news here with an American athlete, American Ironman champion Andy Potts. He's been named coach of the US Paratriathlon team. So it's exciting to see he's officially retired and he... No, I'm not lie. That was my first thought. Yeah.

Josh (54:42.116)
Yeah, I didn't realize he hadn't retired when that announcement came out. Wow. Andy Potts retired. Really? Again?

Heck of a career, but I thought it was over a years ago.

Jenna-Caer (54:57.472)
Yeah, he definitely, well, it's kind of like the Craig Alexander way of it. I don't know if he ever really officially retired. He just raced for a long time and then... Yeah, exactly. Yeah, so it'll be cool to see him bringing his years of experience to the Paratrap on team and help give them some insight into world-class performances. He's definitely had some incredible performances over the years with the 70.3 World Championships title.

Josh (55:03.972)
Yeah. Now the sport's becoming big enough that you actually have to officially retire. So that's cool.

Jenna-Caer (55:25.59)
and a number of Ironmans over the years. So it'll be cool to see what he does for that program.

Josh (55:31.044)
And the U S para Olympic team is already pretty high level too. I mean, they had a great Paris and, and, have really helped. having a name like Andy Potts jump in at this point too, is just, it speaks volumes to what they expect from that organization.

Jenna-Caer (55:46.592)
Yeah, absolutely. Well, Josh, did you have anything else going on in the Trathlon world that you wanted to chat about here?

Josh (55:53.788)
No, I think we've covered everything again. and not much going on in the actual racing world and we were still able to cover almost an hour's worth of conversation. And obviously we both had some pretty big training weeks, so that helped a lot as well.

Jenna-Caer (55:55.886)
you

Jenna-Caer (56:08.256)
Yeah, definitely. I wanted to give a thank you and a shout out to Triathlon magazine there. They had a rundown of the Triathlon podcast in the industry right now. And I think we were appointed best one to help pass the time on the trainer. So appreciate the shout out there. And we're always happy just to geek out on Triathlon.

Josh (56:14.948)
yeah.

Josh (56:28.358)
Yeah, absolutely. And happy birthday to Jenna one day late. You didn't age up yet though. Still. Minds.

Jenna-Caer (56:31.246)
Thank you. Still in the same age group. It doesn't feel like a big birthday because I'm still in the same age group. We're right in the middle of it. There we go. Well, thank you very much. And until next week, we will chat again.

Josh (56:42.428)
Still the same age group. Got a couple years to go.

Josh (56:51.192)
Awesome. See you guys.