Episode 101: Ironman Frankfurt Recap and Challenge Roth Preview!

In this episode of Another Triathlon Podcast, the hosts discuss their recent training experiences, including a training camp and the excitement surrounding upcoming races like Ironman Frankfurt and Challenge Roth. They delve into the results and controversies from Ironman Frankfurt, highlighting the impact of race rules and penalties on athletes' performances. The conversation shifts to the highly anticipated Challenge Roth, where they make predictions about the competitors and the potential for record-breaking performances. The episode emphasizes the importance of community in triathlon and the unique experiences that come from training camps and races.

Chapters

00:00 Welcome Back and Training Updates
07:58 Training Camp Experience
13:08 Ironman Frankfurt Recap
32:18 T100 Series and Race Cancellations
38:10 Challenge Roth Preview and Predictions

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Transcript

Another Triathlon Pod (00:00.988)
Welcome back to another Triathlon podcast brought to you by Mana Apparel. We are back. I have to say thank you to the guys for taking over last week, but I'm back from training camp and ready to geek out on triathlon. And we have certainly got a bit to talk about. We had Ironman Frankfurt on the weekend and whoo.

There was a lot more to the story than I think anyone could have predicted there. And then we're going to get into Challenge Roth this weekend, some back to back epic races in Germany. And this one will prove to be no less exciting, I'm sure. But first, let's jump in, chat with the team. As always, let's start with you, Fede. How are you doing these days?

Fed (00:34.807)
Hey guys, I was just looking at the...

Tim pictures on Instagram and having a lot of FOMO. It looked like it was an epic camp as always. So can't wait to hear what you tell us about Camp Jenna. And me, I'm just doing a bit of a run blog now that my, you know, since last episode, I told Josh that my race got canceled. So doing a bit of a run blog now and yeah, strength running. I'm skipping rope for the first time in like...

15 years. So yeah, doing a lot of ropes keeping to warm up for my hard run sessions, which has been surprisingly good. I enjoy it.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:20.956)
Yeah, that definitely gets that ground contact time down. Just those gifts, getting those muscles activated, that fast touch fibers, it's definitely good for that.

Fed (01:30.635)
Definitely, definitely.

You can, I can actually see the difference. Like the first week when I started skipping rope and now I can see that my muscles are way more activated when I start doing the hard intervals and it's amazing. And I would encourage anyone to do it. Like if you have a hard track session or like a tempo run, do your warmup like 10, 15 minutes and then do like a nice three to five minute of rope skipping and you'll be good.

And it's amazing how you feel and how the leg springiness comes back to the feet, especially when you're tired and when you put these sessions back to back to back. It's really, really incredible what just skipping rope does. mean, it's like, austroathletes think that just swimming back and running are gonna make us fast, but it's all the little details that we do in between that make us actually faster in the long run.

Another Triathlon Pod (02:31.708)
Definitely a great tip there for getting that run activation. But let's jump in. Josh, what are you been up to?

Josh (02:37.902)
Same old, same old, just building towards Oregon, staying healthy, getting outside as much as possible on the bike and the run. Getting some good swimming done as well. I did miss a swim last week just due to timing and what we had planned as a family over the weekend, but was able to still get 16 hours roughly of work in on a.

kind of a recovery week, but still some pretty hard sessions with progress to a five by five minute hard on the bike, like not max effort, above threshold VO2 max five minutes. And I found out the rail trail I ride maxes out at about five minutes between the street that I would have to cross and the end of the trail. So before it starts to go downhill. it's actually a very nice five minute.

little section for me, anything above that would get a little difficult in terms of steady power, but trying to really work on like my VI in that area, cause there is some, little bit of a role and it's kind of interesting triathlete, Mag just put out an article I saw tonight about VI and what it means to the run off the bike and why triathletes need to focus on it. And very timely, cause I have been focusing on it for a while now and trying to keep it as close to one as possible.

And then you go on these long three and a half hour rides with stoplights and turns and hills. And it's like a 1.2 or 1.1. And I was like, not the greatest. But then you just take it in fact to what else is going on. And it's not a true session that it would be on a long ride. working on it nonetheless and kind of progressed into some peak weeks here and got some big weeks. This tonight, I have one of my first ever.

true bricks where I'm going to be on and off the bike and the run through the session and not bike into run. so really working on a lot of that neuromuscular power and memory, and then really going hard. It's, some pretty hard runs and some pretty hard bikes with a good amount of recovery in between and alternating whether the recovery is on the bike or on the run as well too. So really neat session. It's going to be a pretty sloppy data file, but the.

Another Triathlon Pod (04:54.002)
Thank

Fed (04:54.049)
No.

Josh (04:55.628)
The way I'm looking at it is get the work done. That's what this session's all about. I even had a Greg Harper swim last night too, and it was probably my best swim of the freaking year. And I didn't have my garment with me. It was sitting at home on the floor on the charger.

Another Triathlon Pod (05:07.558)
No.

Fed (05:07.671)
You know what that means Josh doesn't did it really happened doesn't count but

Another Triathlon Pod (05:12.924)
Doesn't count.

Josh (05:15.117)
Man, I started the whoop. I got whoop activity swim. So think I got credit for like 420 yards on the whoop or something like that. man, it was a really hard swim progression ladder from a 400 to a four by 100 to a 300, three by 100 down to all out hard 100 at the very end of that 2200 set. And I did a 114 hundred at the very end, which was

Fed (05:18.539)
Yeah

Another Triathlon Pod (05:43.696)
Nice!

Josh (05:44.104)
really frigging good for me. And so that way I know how to use the clock. So that's in my head and I got the session done. And that's just a reminder to all of us. Like the data is awesome. It's great for our coaches. It's great for us to have it progression. And there are some sessions where I was like, I was like 10 minutes away when I realized I was like, I could turn around and go home or I could go and I just went and it felt really good. I was glad I did it. And I know I did the work and that's really all that matters. And I was able to get some of the data from it.

as little as it may be, but still helped. And yeah, feeling good. I'm really excited for Oregon. That last five by five, again, for me, power has been in like the low 200s coming into this year. And now I'm holding 315, 316, 317, all five of those five minute sessions and really stay in aero. All of them I'm doing in aero position. I'm not up on the bars.

Another Triathlon Pod (06:32.08)
Yes.

Josh (06:39.638)
Unless I drive by a kid on a tricycle or something like that, I might have to get up and be careful there on the rail trail. But yeah, the progression on the bike power has for the first time really gotten up and stayed up and continue to progress. So now it's just a matter of translating that into a run into the bike and really have some fun in Oregon and starting looking at numbers that I never thought I'd be looking at. And who knows how far our slots down come and maybe we're punching our tickets in these, but.

Fed (06:42.207)
Yeah

Josh (07:09.206)
Sub five first, 440, 435 maybe. Get me in the picture. So we'll see.

Another Triathlon Pod (07:15.912)
There we go. You know what I used to do last year? I did a ton of those like run bike, run bike, back and forth bricks and stuff. I used to use my bike computer for the bikes and my watch for the runs just so that there wouldn't be like eight files going all the way down. It drove me crazy. So it's like start, stop, start, stop. The worst so is you forget to stop one of them and then you just have this blank part in there, but definitely helps tidy up the data a bit.

Josh (07:28.44)
Yeah. Yeah.

Fed (07:28.669)
Mmm. Yeah. Yeah.

Josh (07:38.762)
Yeah, no, that's probably what I'll do. I'll forego the Garmin stress on the watch because I have the Wahoo bike computer. So I'll do that. That was probably what I'm going to do. So I'm going to get my bike back on the trainer. I actually do have my old bike getting set up to be put on the trainer too, which will help things going forward for days like this too. But right now I'll put my TT bike back on the trainer and...

Another Triathlon Pod (07:49.917)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (08:06.53)
Yeah, it'll be a fun session. I need transition practice as well. So that'll be part of it. That's how I said to my wife, was like, this is kind of like super try practice. I'm not going to ever be in one of those. I'll be at them, but I won't be in one. Yeah, I'm excited for it. You've done one. So I mean, you've had that red line. man, how about that's enough about us. How was camp? Because the two of us definitely had some foam over here.

Another Triathlon Pod (08:11.767)
That'll do it. He'll be super try fast after that.

Another Triathlon Pod (08:17.66)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (08:27.034)
Yeah.

Fed (08:34.71)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (08:34.96)
Man, I have just been living in this triathlon bubble for like the last week and a half and it has been amazing. Just good people, lots of hard work and training and fun stuff. I went down to Oceanside first to kind of Mana HQ over there and ended up doing the San Diego International Triathlon, which was so much fun. was, you know, the paces and speeds and stuff weren't incredible. It's hard to go from the like long distance training switching into it was a one

Josh (08:43.182)
Thank

Another Triathlon Pod (09:04.884)
30k bike and a 10k run. So kind of almost Olympic but with more run and a bit more bike or a bit less bike less swim. definitely a different distance but this course they close it off and it's just rolling up and down the entire time twisty side like it was beautiful with no cars on there it was so fun to ride.

Josh (09:26.894)
I saw that bike split of yours.

Another Triathlon Pod (09:31.144)
It was good. Had some elevation on there too, but yeah, ended up fifth overall, which was fun to try to mix it up a little bit. And actually met a previous guest on the podcast, Ellie Try-Caroline. So it was fun to actually get to meet her in person. We've been kind of following each other on Instagram for a decade or so, so that was very, very cool.

Josh (09:52.414)
That's right. She won the pro race because she was the only pro in the

Another Triathlon Pod (09:55.272)
Yes. Yeah, she crushed it over there. But yeah, then went down to Boulder with the, the Monna crew. had a couple of coaches going up there and doing the Monna training camp and

This is one of my favorite parts of Triathlon. done it with a few different teams over the years, but these training camps where you can actually just geek out on Triathlon, have a group of people that have the same goal in mind to just kind of challenge themselves, learn something new, and just get after it. It's so much fun. Everything else goes away for a little bit. It's almost like summer camp for adults. Just eat, swim, bike, run.

and talk about triathlon for a few days. So it was really, really good. And up in Boulder, it's insane. is triathlon pro headquarters. It was like every day we were running into world champions, Olympians, gold medalists. Like we did this one event, the stroking stride is kind of a Boulder kind of classic event, total grassroots, you swim and then run. You know, casually, Gwen Jorgensen is out there doing a stroking stride because why not?

Josh (10:59.01)
was wondering what that event was, because I started seeing big numbers. I'm like, what the heck's going on? I thought they went for a swim.

Fed (11:03.285)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (11:04.432)
Yeah, man, but on the stroking stride my timing chip got pulled off in the swim. So talking about not having data and it doesn't count, I didn't have any race results in there. So according to that swim I'm still in the water, which probably wouldn't be far off the truth.

Fed (11:18.635)
Ha!

Another Triathlon Pod (11:21.988)
Yeah, it was great. We had such a good crew out there. had about 30 people over on the camp and we how we do is we set up like a monohhq with the coaches a bigger house that we can kind of set all the training from and then we just had a whole bunch of swim bike run lessons and the best part is we have a range of athletes from like one of my athletes brand new to a triathlon like just getting into it just did her first up to

like world championship qualifiers, winners and stuff. And everyone's so super supportive, but we also have enough coaches there that we can break everything out into like three different pace groups. So everyone kind of finds their pace, finds their people, and you don't feel like you're, you know, hanging off the back or the slow person, or you're not getting what you need, not going fast enough. So we did some epic rides and man, it is easy to see why there are so many pros up there in Boulder. It is stunning.

Josh (12:15.084)
Yeah, it looks like a beautiful, I mean, and you guys did so many different rides all from the same spot too, or like a drive away and then pop out and go and really, really cool. yeah, again, I mean, I, I, I was very lucky that Strava gave me a decent route for my long ride this weekend, but it was nothing like yours. like, get a few farm country town areas, but that's about it.

Another Triathlon Pod (12:20.658)
Thank

Another Triathlon Pod (12:37.638)
Yeah, it was pretty cool. And you know what, we've got proof of all the epic rides. We've got an incredible photographer and videographer that comes out to these camps too, Guyet. And he just gets the best shots out there. Like, talk about memories you'll have forever again, see those pictures afterwards. It was pretty cool. And the best part with it being Monoparel, we all had a custom cycling jersey and running singlets, and we all got to match. So you just see this peloton of like 30 bags riding down all in matching kit, and we were all.

Way to blast with Aloud. I want to go back to summer camp. But there we go. Actually headed over for we've got a Mana Apparel Elite Camp coming up in August so it will be double summer camp although that one there might be a little bit more suffering out there but it should be fun. Yeah, no, you guys definitely have to come up for the next one. I know Fede has been along to a few and they are, man, it's hard to beat.

Fed (13:08.503)
You

Josh (13:08.526)
We gotta plan a double summer summer camp.

Josh (13:22.254)
A little more intense.

Josh (13:35.016)
I am definitely getting there. Now that I'm gonna be settled into this new role and job, I'll be able to, was main. The main reason was the new job and trying to do some of the other travel that I have on my own already booked. So next year we'll have all that ready to go.

Another Triathlon Pod (13:51.536)
Wicked. Well, let's jump into some of those pro racing. I'm sure a few pros that I saw over the last little while are going to be out there racing in a few of these, but we have to recap Frankfurt first. Ironman Frankfurt ended up being

a wild ride and okay so I didn't watch a lot of the race but on Sunday morning I woke up and we had a couple hours till we had to do a run and I'm in a house with like eight other people kind of thing each person that came up I'm like you heard the Prankford result don't tell me as I'm trying to like watch it on YouTube and someone came out of their room was like hey did you see the bikes but no

Josh (14:21.198)
Ha ha ha ha ha

Fed (14:23.988)
This is

Another Triathlon Pod (14:31.452)
but then ended up having internet issues and didn't find out the winner until several hours later after the run session. So I did see that there were a few interesting moments throughout the race. So, Fede, why don't you tell us a little bit about Ironman Frankfurt?

Josh (14:41.677)
Yeah.

Fed (14:46.301)
My god, there was a lot of drama on this race. There's a lot of controversy happening in and around this race, not race results wise, nothing that can actually calm the sport in a bad way, just like little details that are left to appreciation regarding

refereeing and rules and penalties and all of this whole stuff. we'll talk about the drama in a bit, but I just want to get through the results first and then we can just dive deep into what happened like in the back scene or whatever. man.

Josh and I were talking on the previous episode that KB has this tendency of cramping on big races and I don't know what it is but every time I cramp up during a race it's race over for me. I keep cramping non-stop all the way to the finish line until when I collapse and die and cry. But Christian, he had a couple of cramp scares. I think he actually cramped a

during the run but then he delivered a 230.59 marathon to win the race in 7.25. I mean it's unbelievable like the way KB is racing right now I think

Josh (16:17.23)
Yeah, it was crazy.

Fed (16:25.779)
we might start seeing a domination from him. Not that he wasn't dominant, like a Taylor and Eve, Danila Reeve, a Jan Frodeno type of dominance in the next couple of years in long distance triathlon, just because.

Whenever we think people are catching up to KB, he's like five steps ahead. Or when people are saying, yeah, he's putting a lot of work into his air position or his bike or whatever, then he comes and swims on the front pack or outruns everyone. Or like he outruns Patrick Lange. I mean...

Patrick is probably the best runner in long distance triathlon right now and he had a not day, it wasn't like a Patrick Lange type of day. He finished seventh but yeah, on Patrick Lange's best day, I think they would have been toe to toe like fighting. Yeah.

Josh (17:25.366)
Yeah. I think it started on the swim, right? I mean, we talked about this last week. Well, how much of an impact was the swim skin swim going to have on the race in general? And I think that lead pack of what was it? Stepniak Schoenberg, Knud and a couple others came out two minutes ahead of the main pack of Norwegians and the Danes and Patrick was there. So I thought Patrick was actually in a pretty decent spot.

being only two minutes down out of the swim. And he was with Christian and with Gustav and with Casper and Magnus and kind of figured he would hop on that train and ride up with them. But I think he lost touch with that group and had to work a little extra hard on the, on the bike. And maybe he doesn't have the fitness with, with Nice as the big picture again. Once you start to miss races, the pro series drops off of your radar and you start to look at.

Like we talked to Gustav was the, his whole seasons revolved around Nice from day one. Even though they're doing all of the pro series races, he knew based on his fitness that the three of them were not at the same level. And, and Christian was ahead of he and Casper. Casper's kind of bridged the gap a little bit and, and now Gustav is getting closer in this, this. So, I mean, there might be some domination, but a 230, 238 marathon where

Gustav negative split that marathon and ran a heck of a race and really in Texas bonked because he went out too hard this time. That's a scary thing to me that Gustav finished fourth and Casper's third. I think Casper could be the one that Christian has to worry about because that's a young gun that's just learning how to race in long distance. Man, we haven't even talked about probably one of the most impressive performances of the day, Christian Hoganhag. That bike and his CDA.

Fed (19:00.651)
Yeah. Yeah.

Fed (19:12.736)
Mmm.

Thank God.

Josh (19:16.428)
what he can do to come off the bike eight and a half, nine minutes ahead of everyone else on a day like that. And I listened to, the Norwegians did a, their podcast the day after. they did it yesterday, Monday and Gustav dropped his chain three times, one or two times. He was able to do it while rolling and put it back on because he's on a one by. So he was able to do that based on practice. Casper storms lost both bottles.

upfront. he lost 180, 200 grams of carbs early on, the bike. think Christian's the only one that had a clean bike in terms of not losing anything. And then we know what, what, what happened to Jonas Schomburg, who was there right up front on the, on the swim and out front on the bike. And literally his entire front cockpit blew up and tried to get it fixed. The mechanic was there to help him. They tightened it back up, but it wouldn't stay on. they, they, they actually pulled him from the race due to

Another Triathlon Pod (20:07.867)
Yes.

Josh (20:15.448)
due to safety, but he was fixing to have a heck of a race as well upfront. obviously we don't know what would have happened in the marathon, but what Christian Hogan did on that swim bike was crazy impressive. And then to get a one minute stand down penalty early in the run and lose by two and a half minutes. It's like, man, that would have been a pretty tight race. I know Christian started to

get a little crampy towards the end of his marathon and trying to maybe go 230 in the back of his head. And he went to 30 59. But if there's a run battle there, who knows what the heck happens and who pushes each other a little bit too much. but we were, we were not able to see that because the German refs love to be refs and drop the hammer with the red cards in the stand downs.

Fed (21:02.795)
Yeah. Yeah, I mean.

Another Triathlon Pod (21:04.648)
Yeah, so let's kind of go through that a little bit with some of those penalties in there is pretty crazy to see all around and people if they weren't following the whole race might have missed out on a few of them. But we had from start we had Patrick Lange.

had a one minute penalty for a stop and go for failing to remove his, or like put his swim skin in the right location there. Yeah. So he had that. then Christian Hoganhoge had a 60 second stop and go penalty for outside assistance. Now this is the one that I think we need to talk a little bit about because it's super controversial and just not well written to the point where if you want it to be terrible, you could really use this to your athlete's benefit. But what happened was he was given a penalty for outside assistance.

Josh (21:17.934)
Yeah.

Josh (21:22.476)
Yeah, T1.

Josh (21:41.986)
Thank

Fed (21:43.894)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (21:46.668)
by someone running a few steps alongside him and telling, saying something to him, right? And the rule reads that if you have a coach or supporter on the side, if they're assisting you in any way, give me splits or anything, both feet have to be firmly on the ground. They can't run alongside you or else that counts as a penalty. Now, what's even more interesting here is it wasn't his coach or anyone like on his team running alongside him that got him that penalty. So with how the rule is written, some random supporter or

Fed (22:11.02)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (22:16.476)
competitors, coach or another person out there could run alongside you and you could get a penalty for that which is kind of crazy.

Fed (22:18.646)
Yeah.

Josh (22:26.914)
So it started with not his coach. started with Magnus's team giving Casper the, or giving Christian the splits. But then his coach actually did it as well up the road. And then they pulled him aside. So like the ref was already pissed off enough, but you're right. mean, like you could be like, Hey, let's get KB out of this race. Let's go run with him and give them splits. mean, that's, that's the thing where it's like, come on now, you know, like they're not affiliated. mean,

Another Triathlon Pod (22:30.792)
Thank

Fed (22:42.302)
it

It was...

Yeah.

Josh (22:55.202)
How do we manage that though is the question. Like how do you have the referees have to know who's coaches who? That gets difficult.

Fed (23:01.247)
It was complete chaos, like you guys said.

Another Triathlon Pod (23:01.618)
And I think that's a lot of these. Yeah, I think that's a lot of these, there's the rule and the reason for the rule and the intent behind it, and just applying the rule for anything no matter what. Right.

Josh (23:08.621)
Yeah.

Fed (23:13.035)
Yeah, I mean, mean, it's Germany and they follow rules to the to the T. So apparently everything started with Magnus' did look coach that like Josh mentioned, like he was giving a splits and then and then it was a Christian's coach who who then did the same thing that all coaches do. But man.

Yeah, like you said, Jenna, if somebody wants to play dirty in the world championships, they just wait for a referee to swing by and then you just run alongside the athlete. You want to get disqualified and start yelling random numbers. Like, and they get a penalty or they get disqualified or whatever. But it's, I don't like, I see.

Another Triathlon Pod (23:58.065)
Yes.

Fed (24:05.697)
how they played the rules and yes, it was a penalty but just I think there needs to be a room for interpretation, a room for like appreciation and knowing if the assistance is making them like gaining an advantage or not because everybody shares splits but it's not the type of like they're not handing out an energy gel or they're not giving them, I don't know.

whatever like rollerblades do to like...

Another Triathlon Pod (24:38.056)
That was really

Josh (24:39.566)
Although there was like an Ironman cameraman that gave KB a gel or something that it seemed like. that it's like, what is going on here right now? I've never seen so many TOs either. Like there were technical officials behind every one in that lead pack too. it was, and I think even one of them, like one of the pros from a couple of years ago pointed out that was the same official that gave me a stand down penalty for having a coach assist me as well. Like complete craziness on.

Fed (24:44.288)
Yeah.

Josh (25:06.252)
The assistance from a coach. I get the two feet on the ground, but come on. It's really about like, did he give you a fresh bottle of 160 grams of carbs? Yes. Okay. That's assistance. Cause I think in that personal needs station, the Norwegians were saying you literally had to leave the course, go into personal needs off the run course, grab your bottle and then come back out and start the like back out on the run course again. So it wasn't like right there on the side where you could find your bag.

Another Triathlon Pod (25:33.864)
Hmm.

No, definitely. And then that kind of leads us into the big penalty that was reversed in the end, but we had Magnus Dittlev was originally given a penalty for littering. He refused to serve it on the course and had some strong words for the ref, which came across the broadcast. Yeah. And then he was handed a red card, which is a disqualification, which would end up being overturned in the end. But it looks like another case of the intent versus what they're actually

Fed (25:41.399)
Yeah.

Fed (25:50.717)
I loved it.

Another Triathlon Pod (26:04.53)
doing or what the rule is supposed to make happen, right? So it looks like he was going through an aid station, they had ice at the end of the aid station, he poured the ice, tossed the cup, the cup kind of bounced a little bit outside of the aid station kind of thing. making all attempts to throw it within there, it's not, he got the penalty for intentional littering. Now, it's not like he's running around the run course in some section between the two aid stations to just chuck the gel wrapper on the ground. It was like, it happens to go a little bit past, like,

there has to be some kind of give there, especially at those speeds, right? What do you guys think?

Fed (26:38.935)
Yeah, especially like, yep.

Josh (26:40.366)
Kind of like the Kyle Smith rule in San Francisco where he went back and grabbed it himself. Magnus did not go back. It's one of those things. think somebody just needs to come out and say, Hey, look, if you're like near the sign and you're trying to dispose of it around that time, then okay. We're not right. We're trying to get rid of it. It's not like he's gone 50 meters down the road to then toss it. mean, it's literally within feet of, of the sign that we still can't see what is on the other side of it, but.

Another Triathlon Pod (26:43.112)
Great.

Fed (26:55.605)
Yeah. Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (26:55.738)
Intent is there, right?

Josh (27:09.23)
We assume it's the no litter zone past this point, but to me it's a tough one. You just have to... I try to get rid of it before I get even close. That's for sure. But these guys are, I mean, with all the ice and the cooling technology now and everything these got going, I'm like, saw KB's core temperature never went into zone three core and it was like zone one, zone two, just because of his heat prep.

Fed (27:20.477)
Yeah

Josh (27:36.27)
and the way he handled the cooling during the run and stuff. I that's insane. And that temperature to keep your body temperature down that way. And that's the type of level these guys have to go to to run 330 per K off of the bike. mean, and that's what KB was running to get in front and then probably pulled it back closer to 345.4 at the end.

Another Triathlon Pod (27:57.158)
Yeah, and even that, like, what does that do to you mentally? Like, you get you, you're wondering if you're disqualified for the rest of the story. How hard are you going to push a marathon at the end of the Ironman? If you think at the end, this could get me zero points, zero money, nothing. Like, as long as, as much as we talk about that mental toughness and you have to just kind of do your race and stuff, that is a hard hit to think you do all that and potentially there's nothing at the end. What do you guys think?

Fed (28:22.867)
I was just gonna say like going back to Magnus's penalty like according to his coach like Magnus was like disqualified for littering outside the drop zone and apparently that whatever he dropped it landed two meters from the drop zone so it wasn't like like Josh mentioned like

a thousand feet away. So, and then like you mentioned, Jenna, these guys are running like at a super high speed. And when you're racing at the top of the spear in triathlon, all of your energy goes into maximizing performance and probably all of your glycogen, it's in your muscles pumping blood. And obviously you don't have the, that the

finesse of a basketball player to actually make a three pointer into the trash can. Exactly, there we go. like imagine you're racing for the podium for money. It's not like you're outside jogging or yes, they're having fun racing, but it's not like they are.

Another Triathlon Pod (29:19.432)
We're not the most coordinated to start with.

Fed (29:38.471)
super aware of their surroundings just because we've all been there obviously to a certain extent hurting and pushing super hard where you're a little blurry in vision and everything all you can focus on is getting to the next aid station and and chugging and a gel or drinking water of course he didn't do it on purpose and obviously

that disqualification like you can see the frustration in Magnus' face when they told him and I think I speak for the three of us here we would have reacted the exact same way because I mean what are you talking about like it's not

Yeah, and then they told his coach, he might not get DQ'd, maybe he does, maybe he doesn't. Of course, mentally that breaks you. And you just need that one reason to stop pushing super hard because it's uncomfortable. And when you're thinking, I might get DQ'd, this race might not mean anything. Do I step off the gas? Do I keep, do I push forward? Do I spend a bullet here? So yeah, I could see the domino effect.

Another Triathlon Pod (30:26.738)
for sure.

Josh (30:44.504)
But his coach better not run with him to give him that information.

Another Triathlon Pod (30:47.464)
you

Fed (30:48.567)
Hey, we need radios now like like Tour de France. Yeah Yeah, no, it was just chaos and I think I agree and I appreciate I appreciate when rules are getting Enforced and now that

Another Triathlon Pod (30:52.968)
What's your

Fed (31:08.885)
We're going to talk about Challenge Roth, but they're testing age groupers now, which I think it's amazing and it's a long time coming. But I'm a big fan of following the rules, but there needs to be a play room when it comes to pro athletes racing, because it's their livelihood.

Another Triathlon Pod (31:15.196)
Yes.

Fed (31:27.415)
they race for money, they race for world championship slots. And if you toss something and it drops two meters away from the the littering zone, let the guy be. mean, it's not like he did it on purpose. I mean, maybe give him a red card if he grabs a water bottle, toss it to the guy in front of him so that he falls off his bike. But other than that, I think they're good to go.

Another Triathlon Pod (31:52.252)
Yeah, and you know what, it's funny because like refs have become the whole story of this race too and even although I will say I do agree with the Jonas Schomburg call to kind of pull him off the course without

safe equipment because that becomes kind of an issue for all the athletes around you with his arrow bars kind of completely coming off. How crazy is that stack with like for how big of a guy he is he's got this crazy like stack on there that looks a little scary but unfortunately you just need one bolt not quite tightened enough and the whole thing goes down. It was yeah crazy to see and that would have been safe to ride around other athletes especially as they start to interact with age groupers.

Josh (32:32.374)
Yeah, cause it was the Tulu bike course as well. So that was definitely an interesting, and then all the cobblestones, but I mean, even they were, I think the Norwegians I heard say like, was it the cobblestones that were giving a lot of people trouble? And it was like, it's not just the cobblestones there. There was a lot of rough road throughout the entire bike course too. That was kind of rattling some, people's cages literally. and, and, and

Another Triathlon Pod (32:56.135)
We hit.

Josh (32:59.042)
Gustav was saying some of the chain stuff on his part was again, he made some changes, a lot of changes to his bike and his setup and he hadn't put on the chain tight enough. like his, had changed the, the, to the one by and the 62 teeth and he hadn't tightened the chain to the point that it should have been. And it got a little loose going up a hill and back down and yeah, dropped it. So some of it is self-inflicted and others is the bumps.

Another Triathlon Pod (33:09.992)
Please.

Another Triathlon Pod (33:27.622)
Yeah, and then we also had the bike course in there too, with obviously a crazy fast time in there. But this course is kind of known for being about 176 kilometers, so not quite the full 80. So it's tough to call bike course records when there does seem to be a bit of wiggle room either way. What do you guys think?

Josh (33:48.11)
was still a nine minute lead on the day. Yeah. Yeah. In terms of the record, yeah, it's not 180. That's for sure. And I think there's plenty of data files to show that that's not, that is the case that it wasn't that long. What HoganHog did was insane. But in terms of the record itself, yeah, no, like you got to get 180 points something. Zero at least.

Fed (33:50.101)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (33:50.638)
yeah, for sure. We're talking like, vice record times, bite chorus record. It's like...

Another Triathlon Pod (34:09.306)
incredible.

you

Fed (34:15.157)
Yeah, I agree. I agree with Josh.

Another Triathlon Pod (34:16.028)
Definitely. Well, let's roll into some racing on the other side. So we'll talk about a few other of the event organizers outside of Ironman. First up, I'm going to jump in with my what the F of the week.

I love the T100, but what the F with this schedule. If you guys haven't heard, Lake Las Vegas has been cancelled and they're making a small, just little adjustment in location from Lake Las Vegas to Australia. it's, yeah.

Fed (34:46.582)
it's just 45 minute flight.

Another Triathlon Pod (34:49.352)
Exactly easy change over there. It sounds like they just weren't able to overcome some of the organization issues out there to make Lake Las Vegas happen, which is really unfortunate for the age group athletes who kind of planned their seasons. It sucks for the pros who are going for the series, but you got to feel for the age group, especially if you already booked flights and accommodations and all of that fun stuff.

Fed (35:14.187)
Yeah, I mean, it was, I don't know, like, every time I keep hearing these things that with the T100 or not with Iron Man, it seems like Iron Man knew all along that they were the big dogs and whenever the, when the T100 came into the picture, they didn't panic and they kept to themselves and they were like,

Like I'm just gonna stick to what I do best, not trying to be too in your face to everyone and then the PTL, the T100, these events that come and go, they haven't had that like trust in age groupers to back them up completely because they don't know if the race they're signing up for is gonna be moved around or canceled or this and that so...

I think that's.

It's amazing for the pro athletes, but I think that's part of reason why the age groupers haven't really backed it up because there's a level of uncertainty when it comes to signing up for races. And I talked to a few of my friends and a lot of them don't know that there are age group races in the T100 events. only, they thought they were only pro events, which says a lot with the, with the marketing of the T100. Yes, they're focused a lot more into the pro athletes and I'm

for it and I think they deserve that but a lot of that

Fed (36:49.751)
A lot of the following comes with age groupers racing on the same day. That's the magic of Kona, for example. Everybody knows it's a pro race and an age group race. And then going from Vegas to Australia, that's just a kick to the butt to all of the athletes that had, like you mentioned, Jenna, paid their accommodations and flights and everything. Yeah.

Josh (37:15.458)
think it's, mean, the big difference in what they're trying to do. And we applaud them for trying to create more racing opportunities is also the downfall. They're, trying to create races. They're not taking over existing races, which they did do in San Francisco, but they haven't taken it over. It's not, still not their age group race. So the age group race is, is going to be held separate of the pro race. The.

T100 Vegas, the T100 Vancouver, these are all standalone events that they created. They did not exist prior to the T100 pro race coming there. And that and permitting and all of these things that have to take place is a whole big task and not something that maybe the PTO, the T100 was used to doing outside of a couple of races here and there. And now they're trying to do eight, nine, 10 mass participation events a year and it gets difficult and things are not always easy, but.

They got to think twice before they expand more, because it is impacting a lot of people and in a lot of companies and a lot of individuals who had booked travel plans and their seasons around these races. mean, Vegas is. We all know when you put a race in the middle of a season, the beginning of a season changes and the end of the season changes and, your, your, now your year has changed based on when that race may be. So yeah, I feel bad for everyone who was supposed to be going to Vegas.

I can't imagine many of them are going to Australia.

Another Triathlon Pod (38:46.49)
Yeah, and I will say I have to give them kudos. on the T 100 Vancouver race in there, they really did that one while they actually paired up with a couple of different race organizations. So they had a race organizer that was based out of Vancouver that knew the local kind of community authorities and stuff to get everything set up. But they also partnered with a race organization that has put on all the world championship events, WTCS events, and brought in another one as well that had experience with very mass participation one. So in Vancouver was cool because they brought

and three experts in different aspects of it which made it happen and it turned out to be an absolutely amazing event but you could see if you don't have that foundation or don't have those contacts it could be very challenging to start up a new race entirely but we will see how it shakes out there they're definitely still finding their way in the age group races and we are what enjoying watching the pro racing but let's roll into Josh do you have a social media post the week for us

Josh (39:42.54)
The social media post was really on your left again, just crushing it with all of his post Frankfurt and referee stuff. So kudos to Connor and everyone. And really, if you haven't checked them out, I know we had Connor on do an episode with us, but they're really starting to crush it in terms of their predictions and.

Another Triathlon Pod (39:47.464)
Thank

Fed (39:49.163)
Hahaha.

Josh (40:07.722)
setups, previews for each race and the special guests that they're having on. So check out on your left and their social media page and give them a good shout in the comments because he's doing some good stuff for the sport and really getting some more eyes on it. He brought on Belinda Granger to talk about the Roth episode. Like that's really, really cool for the sport and doing some different stuff and the memes are just next level.

Another Triathlon Pod (40:31.272)
Absolutely, definitely check them out. But that brings us to Challenge Roth. There is going to be some epic racing ahead here. Challenge Roth always draws a crowd and this race, I'm telling you guys, we have to try to go after another Triathlon podcast showing at Roth next year because it is on my bucket list. Solarberg Hill, that crazy finish line, it has some incredible energy over there. But we will have a few athletes out there competing for the win.

Fed (40:47.681)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (40:59.368)
We'll start running through kind of the men's side of it. Some of the top competitors we have like Sam Laidlow, we've got Dennis Chirot, Peter Heimrich, Ian Stratman, Joe Skipper, Thomas Bishop, Jack Moody, Brian Arnott, Samantha Hansen, Jesper Svendenson, we've got Lauren Anchord, Andreas Dre, it's Marina Uella.

Man, we just have quite a few names on here. They're ranking the men's side as about 22 % of a typical Kuna field. But the thing here is we have some like Sam Laidlaw who you would think previous form going into race, he'd absolutely be the winner. But we don't really know where he is. So I think this could turn out to be pretty interesting. What do you guys think?

Fed (41:39.937)
I mean, first off, I was just gonna say that next year we need to make Roth happen for us. We need like an ATP house, Germany, banners, everything, live podcast. And I think I'm not throwing Josh under the bus here, but I think it would be epic for his first full to be at Roth. I think it would be incredible.

Another Triathlon Pod (41:48.049)
Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Josh (42:02.558)
float down the swim.

Fed (42:04.927)
Yeah, float down, swim and then just hammer the bike and enjoy the run. I think we need to make it happen, the three of us racing in Roth and yeah, just putting it out there. And actually just adding on Josh's...

Another Triathlon Pod (42:05.157)
Thank

Fed (42:20.883)
social media post of the week. Did you guys saw our good friend Fred Funk post? just in a couple of days I'm gonna become a real triathlete just because it's his first long distance triathlon. I thought that was pretty funny that giving the athlete that he is and all the achievements that he has accomplished he probably still gets a hard time of all you haven't done an Ironman yet or a full distance triathlon yet.

Another Triathlon Pod (42:35.612)
that's awesome.

Another Triathlon Pod (42:47.272)
Absolutely. Yeah, we've got a few on there. We've got like Frederick Crunk, Vincent Louis, Henry Schuman, Aaron Royal. Like we've got a few short course athletes stepping up to try to do a longer distance here that we really have no idea what they're going to do when it comes to Ironman.

Josh (42:49.033)
especially for the German.

Fed (42:50.817)
You're right.

Josh (43:07.074)
But like you said, we have no idea family at low. Like I've watched every one of his episodes. You can definitely tell he's getting fitter. He's doing other races. He hopped in another local triathlon with the family and they did like a relay and he did the bike leg and crushed most of it, but then it had a little rough go at the end, but.

It sounds like his fit. I think Fed and I talked about it. It sounds like his fitness is there on the swim and the run. It's the bike that's taken the longest to come back around. And I guess when you have that bike power, it does come take a while for it to come back. Um, and his expectations are obviously higher than, than anyone else's when it comes to the bike leg too. But we've seen them have good races on this course before and some decent battles into the run. Uh, I just don't.

No, if, if qualifying for Nice is still his goal this year, I almost see a DNF coming and this is more of like a test run, test run for him to see, okay, do I go after Nice? And maybe he does, maybe he does finish because we've seen, mean, what he did at Kona is probably what got him into this situation and his health and, pushing it to the limits and finishing the way he did. But do you...

Fed (44:10.283)
Really?

Josh (44:29.314)
We all know Nisa is his baby and he's the defending champ at that course and knows he can win it there. Is this his final test before he goes and jumps in, like classic or another upcoming race and pulls out on the run on this one? I don't know.

Another Triathlon Pod (44:48.262)
Yeah, that is tough. just, well, you would think he would do it the other way though. Kind of go try to perform at Roth where you get that coverage to get that attention. Really, he's, isn't he an auto qualifier? So he just kind of has to roll around an Iron Man course to get his validation. Yeah. No, I'd be curious to see. He's,

Josh (45:04.578)
So yeah, he just has to validate, yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (45:11.058)
hasn't given too much away. sounds like he's on the floor, but we just haven't seen him racing. And this will be interesting because we have like 12 guys that'll be swimming together. Like there's going to be a big pack out of the swim. And then you're also adding on a few more short course guys who will be adding some firepower to that too. So someone like a Joe skipper, he's going to be four or five minutes back out of the water from these guys and then have a lot of time to make up on the, on the bike course. But I think we're going to see that big group coming out together and then.

little bit of fireworks on the bike, see who hangs on or not. If Sam Laidlaw is up to his bike power and speed, then could definitely make it interesting.

Josh (45:50.958)
Little Tommy Bishop that we've had on, is going to, uh, it sounds like he's in pretty damn good shape too. So I think he'd have a good day. Vincent Louis is going to be interesting to see, like, how does he hold up in the, in the full distance too, after all these years in short course and, and 70.3 and, and what outfit does he wear?

Another Triathlon Pod (45:53.128)
and

Fed (46:04.812)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (46:12.104)
We gotta see the special rocket!

Fed (46:12.531)
Yeah. Yeah.

Josh (46:15.726)
I mean, does he really roll up in the full German get up? I don't know.

Fed (46:18.038)
Which

Fed (46:21.879)
Oktoberfest type of... But it would be interesting with Vince, because he's had success over the 70.3 distance, but there's been some races where he's like overpaced, Ali Brownlee type of style, where he goes too aggressive either on the start of run or in the middle of the bike.

Another Triathlon Pod (46:27.462)
That'd be amazing.

Fed (46:48.417)
but I think we're gonna see a different Vince. I think he's gonna be cautious. I think he's gonna feel properly and...

Maybe he's I think if he paces this race well, we could see like a huge huge breakthrough race from Vince and we could be talking like these super rare cases where you're super good at sprint olympic not really good at 70.3 and then amazing at the full distance and yeah, I'm very curious to see what Vince does but I cannot look past our my good friend Fred

funk. I have all my money on him. Yeah, I think it's gonna be interesting and he's a German and probably he wants to take the torch from Jan and Patrick and say, hey, I'm here to stay for a while now and you guys can rest if you want. But yeah, German draft on these in a good place right now.

Another Triathlon Pod (47:50.512)
Yeah, like I love Vince, but I don't, I just don't see him factoring in this. Like he'll be able to run out of the swim. Yeah, I think he'll be in the front of the swim and then he'll get kind of lost on the bike and we won't see him again kind of thing. He's so good. I really thought he'd be good at this Ironman and 70.3 distance. So he had some good races in there, but he's just, I don't quite see it, but I do want to see the kit and the helmet that he comes up with for it.

Fed (47:55.703)
really, even factoring?

Fed (48:15.735)
Yeah

Josh (48:16.3)
You figure if he was going to be good at the middle and longer distance, would have showed itself in the T 100 first because it's the closest to what he's used to and it hasn't shown itself there. And I I'm with Jen. I don't think he's going to factor on the run. I mean, if he's still there, on the, I think he'll lose it on the bike, over that 180 K distance on that course. And with the firepower that there still is,

Another Triathlon Pod (48:25.724)
Yeah.

Josh (48:46.498)
Yeah, he'll have a good swim. He'll be up there with Aaron Royal and the likes and Sam Ladd though probably is going to be right there too. And if Sam's there, somebody's going to try and go with him. Maybe Vincent tries to go with them. I don't know. I just, I think the junkyard dog's going to come in and potentially surprise, surprise everyone here. He had a good race early in the season and he's been kind of quiet and now he's hopping back in and.

I think from all signs, he said some pretty good training. that's my outside. If Sam Laidlow is not running away with this, Joe skippers taking the top step.

Another Triathlon Pod (49:27.624)
Hey, I like it. Be good to see. Everyone loves him and then the day after, see how he goes with the beer miles. Thank God I do it in Germany. Yes, yes, full on. Oh, that'd be painful afterwards with the false dines four times. Oh man, befrawling. How about you, Fede? Who do you think takes the win here?

Josh (49:32.48)
I mean, a beer mile in Germany? Come on now. With the Steins.

Fed (49:34.942)
Oof.

Josh (49:44.078)
Yeah.

Josh (49:49.816)
beer every two miles.

Fed (49:55.563)
Well, I just said it, think Fred Funk is gonna take the win. I do believe, I don't know if this is my nostalgia talking, but I do still think Vince has a lot to give in sport and I think he's gonna factor more than we think.

Also don't sleep on Aaron Royal because he can ride a bike and I think he doesn't have that super strong fast twitch muscles but I think he can go for a long time at that threshold type of intensity and I think...

If he plays his cards right, he could have, like I said, like a breakthrough race. But yeah, I think for Vince, Aaron, Henry, these guys, it's going to be either hit or miss. They're going to go for the home run or just strike out on every single occasion. yeah, it's going to be exciting. I don't know. I think that the junkyard dog has a strong chance to win, like Josh mentioned. But

I'm on the fence with Laidlow. I don't know. I like him. Yeah, I like him, I just I cannot I cannot put the pieces together to to to make an educated guess quote-unquote to see how how he's gonna raise

Josh (51:08.68)
Nobody knows. Nobody knows.

Another Triathlon Pod (51:09.991)
Yeah.

Josh (51:20.654)
Another one we kind of missed is Matt Hanson too. And you talk about a rung course in records, this is one of those courses where you could throw down a pretty hefty number on a marathon. And if he's in shape, we've all seen him run from 15th, 20th up into the top five. What can he do in a field that isn't as strong?

Fed (51:42.455)
Special and big races.

Josh (51:45.548)
This isn't the strongest Roth field ever. It typically is not a very strong, it's a very front heavy field, but there's definitely some players and I think Matt Hanson could factor in if he can, if he can have a somewhat decent swim, but it, I think, I think I even shared it on our social media today. It sounds like it's a 100 % swim skin race for the pros in Roth and even the age groupers. looks like it's going to be as well. So, that does not help Matt Hanson at all for the overall, but.

Doesn't matter. It doesn't mean he can't run a 228.

Fed (52:18.135)
Right.

Another Triathlon Pod (52:19.004)
Very true. We'd love to see that run split. But I think with the bike, that's where he's really going to struggle there because there's going to be some solid bike power in this course on those German roads. And they get going pretty good on this one. But it'll be a fun experience going up that solarberg hill and see how far he can make it up through the field with, yeah, you got to think he's going to have the fastest run split if he plays his cards right.

Josh (52:27.31)
Yeah.

Josh (52:43.448)
Who do you got, Jenna?

Fed (52:44.725)
Yeah, who do you got?

Another Triathlon Pod (52:46.212)
You know what? I'm going to go Bart Arnott. He's going to be out of the, you know, he'll be a little bit out of the water, but I see him riding well on this course. I think he'd have one of the faster bike splits out there and make some difference. And then he'll always have like a solid run kind of deal. Nothing too crazy, not the fastest run split, but something that'll be right up there with the rest of the field. So I'm going outside shot on that. He's going to have a fast bike, make up that time for the swim and then yeah, just run it home and hold off Matt Hansen charging behind.

or we'll see. This is all in Los Angeles, though, kind of goes up front. He's all just been like dogging it the whole time. He's actually as fit as he's ever been and go ride eight minutes faster than everyone else in the field.

Fed (53:17.333)
Yeah.

Josh (53:28.334)
Yeah. And he knows the course, right. And, shout out to Martin Ulloa, Mono athlete racing, Nick Chase is racing again. There's some good names in this one, even a front. mean, Henry Schumann, mean, I mean, could, could be a factor. Uh, yes, Bert could be a factor, Svensson. So, uh, it'll be interesting. I think it all comes, everyone, the X factor Sam Laidlow, and then what does everyone else do on the day? How good are they?

Another Triathlon Pod (53:54.78)
Yeah.

Fed (53:54.859)
Yeah, do people follow Laylo if he puts on like a super strong search on the bike or do people call him on the bluff? Like what do think is gonna happen?

Josh (54:05.71)
I can't imagine. wouldn't go with him if I thought I had a chance of winning the race overall or as the podium. I wouldn't blow up my race to go with him.

Another Triathlon Pod (54:14.536)
I don't think it's so much a matter of would they or could they. As he's conformed. Yeah, true. Ready to be out there.

Josh (54:18.382)
Freddy could.

Fed (54:18.679)
right freddy yaspery kud yeah yeah there's a couple guys but i don't know

Josh (54:26.488)
There's not many people that can go with him on their best day.

Another Triathlon Pod (54:28.616)
Well, let's jump into the women's field here.

Fed (54:29.889)
Yeah, yeah, I agree.

Another Triathlon Pod (54:33.984)
We have a little bit lower percentage with 15 % of a typical Kona field. I think we saw we had a lot of competitors over in Hamburg and stuff as everyone's chasing that Ironman Pro Series. But this weekend we got Laura Phillips, Nikki Bartlett, Marlene de Bauer, Justine Mathieu, let's see, Laura Sedal, Nina Duran. Angela Nath, I haven't seen her racing in a while. It'd be great to see her out there. And then Grace Thack will be racing too, and she's someone that we don't quite know how she's going to do over that Ironman.

series so what do you guys think can we go past Laura Philip I know

Josh (55:09.73)
There's one and then the rest of them. It's, it's sad that any hog didn't make it back. Yeah, this is Laura Laura's race to, mean, like Ken, Ken, Laura, it literally is actually Ken Laura goes up eight. I think that's the question. And based on what she did in Hamburg, is she recovered enough after a very hard race with the, between her and cat, it's not like she had a.

Fed (55:11.863)
Yeah.

Fed (55:21.366)
Yeah.

Fed (55:26.623)
I think, yeah. Yeah. I agree.

Another Triathlon Pod (55:28.932)
Yeah, it's good.

Another Triathlon Pod (55:33.468)
That's it.

Josh (55:38.442)
An easy race in Hamburg. She let it go in Hamburg. So is she recovered enough to go sub 8?

Fed (55:43.191)
Could we text Mark and see if Katty is willing to raise Roth just to have that extra spice and maybe both of them can go sub 8?

Another Triathlon Pod (55:52.753)
You

Josh (55:56.59)
Mark's got a stressful week. He's racing and then he's got to get back to Swansea the following week to go Sherpa and maybe not get a penalty for a cat.

Fed (56:01.279)
Hahaha

Another Triathlon Pod (56:02.546)
you

Fed (56:05.559)
Oh man, imagine if both of were racing. But yeah, I agree with you Josh. I think it's a matter of if Laura can go sub 8 or not.

Another Triathlon Pod (56:05.64)
okay.

Another Triathlon Pod (56:10.659)
my goodness.

Josh (56:19.182)
Because she's got time between now and Kona. I mean, she can let it go again this weekend. Plenty of time.

Another Triathlon Pod (56:19.57)
Thank

Fed (56:21.803)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (56:24.712)
Man, just got a lot to back up though. Like that time is pretty tough. Like you mentioned, Josh, I think that's the biggest thing. It wasn't an easy win. It wasn't like she was off the front with five plus minutes to spare. She was chasing into the last bit and then brought it home to take that win. And that is a big effort to come back from. But she's so class and so far ahead of the rest of the field. I think she's still got it even as she, you know, jugs it back and she'll have the support of the home German crowd. How can you not bring that in?

Fed (56:56.073)
Okay, if Laura goes sub 8, do you think she could back it up in Kona and go sub 8 in Roth, world champion in Kona, last year only women are racing in Kona and then say I'm probably the best long distance track athlete at the moment. Or she goes sub 8 and then she's burnt out for Kona.

Another Triathlon Pod (57:15.002)
Yeah, see it's tough so

Another Triathlon Pod (57:24.872)
So that used to be the traditional thought process was if you did well in Roth or Frankfurt, you weren't going to have a good Kona because it would take with the fields they had, would take too much to win that and recover and then be back fresh enough. So to do a Hamburg Roth Kona triple would be something absolutely epic and incredible. And if she didn't have someone like a Kat Matthews right behind her, I'd say it's a possibility. But I think

Fed (57:44.566)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (57:53.872)
That's a lot of really hard efforts if she has to push for this one to take it again. And people are recovering a lot faster than they did back then. I wouldn't put it past her. And like I said, like this field, like we're looking at predictions of

Josh (57:58.798)
He's got four months until Kona, right?

Josh (58:05.09)
That's the thing, the technology and yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (58:17.064)
people being 20 plus minutes behind her if she has an average Laura Philip day. So if she can take this with like cruising it on the run, I, yeah, I definitely wouldn't put it past her. Yeah.

Fed (58:27.767)
Bill.

Josh (58:29.176)
think this is Kat here in Kona. think Kat in the run, I don't know. And not just the run, I think Kat and the TT bike capabilities that she has in Kona suit her better than Laura. I think Laura could stick with her on the climbs and Kat descended well in Nice, but no matter what, I think Laura will.

Another Triathlon Pod (58:37.127)
you

Another Triathlon Pod (58:52.87)
Yeah.

Josh (58:57.644)
Be able to compete in Kona no matter how well she does this weekend in Roth, whether she goes sub eight or not. I think the hardest part about going sub eight in this field is she doesn't have cat pushing her like Fed said. So it's, it's hard to go all out when you just, when you're only racing the clock and that clock is like miles away and you're not running loops on a track. It's, it's really, really hard to keep the adrenaline level up when you're chasing a number that doesn't impact.

Another Triathlon Pod (59:08.518)
Yeah.

Fed (59:09.047)
That's why I... Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (59:15.077)
if you're too busy.

Josh (59:27.244)
the dollar signs whatsoever. mean, record books, I mean, it's going to get broken pretty soon thereafter anyways, but yeah, that's, that's my only factor with this field in this race that she doesn't have somebody pushing her to that eight.

Another Triathlon Pod (59:42.192)
Yeah, that's the hard part. When you have your next competition is 20 minutes behind you, how much, how excited can you get to try to push yourself that far to get that set date? Man. Okay, so if Laura Philip doesn't take the win, who do you guys call it for a next best bet there? Who do think is going to be the runner up?

Josh (59:50.456)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:04.424)
I'm going go mono athlete and I'm going to say Marlinda Bauer. She's been on a hot streak here. So getting some confidence with that win. See her go into this feeling good and ready to get after it.

Fed (01:00:05.377)
Let's see.

Josh (01:00:18.018)
I like, you guys.

Fed (01:00:18.135)
Let's see, let's see.

Josh (01:00:24.44)
Grace Thacker, Nikki Bartlett would be my other two.

Fed (01:00:26.327)
So are we picking winner or second place? Like are we picking if Laura... Yeah, that's what I'm saying. are we picking second place or Laura's out of the race because she got food poisoning or whatever? Knock on wood. Okay.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:28.188)
Yeah, Grace, feel fantastic.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:33.992)
I think we're picking a certain place.

Josh (01:00:37.144)
She's either one by 25 minutes or there was a mechanical, so pick the next finish.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:40.102)
Yeah, exactly.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:49.16)
Pretty much.

Fed (01:00:55.415)
Let's see,

Another Triathlon Pod (01:00:56.776)
Yeah, you can definitely see Laura Beacon on this course too. Or, Nikki Bartlett, sorry.

Fed (01:01:01.719)
I like Nikki or Grace Tech could be like I don't know. Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:01:12.168)
Sometimes with that Ironman distance, like that first Ironman, you don't know how painful it can be. So you just kind of go for it and I have incredible days out there and I could definitely see Grace Thack doing something like that.

Fed (01:01:23.807)
Yeah, yeah. I'm gonna pick Grace if Laura decides to go play a soccer game on race day instead of racing.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:01:34.44)
you

There we go. Either way, it's going to be fun to watch. They do a good job with the coverage and they'll have Belinda Granger, I'm sure, on the commentary. And she knows everyone and everything and has been through it all. She always brings a lot of fun and energy to those race, the race commentary.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:01:55.998)
Josh, you're on mute.

Josh (01:01:58.1)
And, and Fenella is going to be there commentating as well. Yeah.

Fed (01:02:01.281)
Hmm. There we go.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:02:01.288)
Oh, awesome. didn't see that. That'll be really good. Yay. No, that'll be, they do it well. It won't be, well, some of those complaints we've had with the Ironman coverage in there. Belinda Granger always brings the energy and background commentary and comments on all the athletes or the location. And she just has such great insight working so closely with these athletes. But even more than that, she just cares about them. So she's fully invested, which is always good to see.

Josh (01:02:05.752)
stars.

Josh (01:02:29.422)
And then we got to, we got to wait. mean, does how much does Mark beat Kyle by and does Kyle finish? Cause we know he hasn't been training. he is out. Okay. I did not see that. He announced that on this week's episode.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:02:35.474)
So Kyle's out. Kyle's not starting. Yeah, Kyle's not starting. Mark is rolling around. So unfortunately, we will not see the Pro Try News showdown this weekend. But maybe we'll have to do like a head-to-head battle next year. Pro Try News, another Trathlon podcast, three of us against three of them. See how the times add up.

Fed (01:02:36.137)
Mmm.

Fed (01:02:56.983)
That would be cool.

Josh (01:03:00.064)
Man, Mark would get really, really fit for that one. Try and carry the front of the train.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:03:03.272)
you

Fed (01:03:03.68)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:03:06.248)
There we go. Okay, here's a fun conversation. Who would we want to have the matchup against if we had to three of them to do it against? Who do you think our competitors would be?

Josh (01:03:18.734)
Well, I mean, Patrick's never done a triathlon. The problem is it bike power.

Fed (01:03:23.087)
I think Jenna can take Mark and then we'll just figure out the rest. There we go.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:03:27.962)
jeez. Ginger roast ginger. I like it.

Josh (01:03:35.95)
think we should be able to hold our own against Talbot and Kyle, but it all depends on how, how much training Kyle does. I And Patrick, I mean, Patrick might jump in and be the hell of a triathlete. don't know. Cause he could certainly bike.

Fed (01:03:39.127)
Yeah, I believe so.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:03:46.972)
Right.

Fed (01:03:47.574)
Yeah.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:03:49.448)
and put tons of time into us on the bike and then see what he can do for a run.

Josh (01:03:53.74)
Right. He certainly chased around his wife enough and his, his athletes enough. So be careful out there, Patrick, the theme of the theme of the show. Don't run, don't run with your athletes.

Fed (01:03:54.167)
Hmm.

Fed (01:04:01.687)
There you go.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:04:05.652)
And I'm amazed he hasn't been stuffed into Trathon yet, being surrounded by all of that. Like, that's the impressive part. Awesome. Well, we are going to watch all the action go down at Challenge Roth and have some fun with it. And we will be back next week to do the breakdown and talk about some more pro racing coming up as we are kind of reaching the apex of this Ironman Pro Series. And we'll chat about the T100.

Josh (01:04:11.65)
Yeah.

Josh (01:04:27.202)
Yeah, we got Swansea and Lake Placid back to back weeks.

Another Triathlon Pod (01:04:31.4)
Yeah, and that'll be just last few opportunities collecting points here before we get into championship season where it all goes down for that $200,000 prize, know, bit of cash.

Josh (01:04:42.016)
And where will we see Layla show up to validate?

Another Triathlon Pod (01:04:45.66)
There we go. That's the other question. Or is he going to show up and roll around so that he can get on that start list? Wicked. Well, thank you as always, guys, for joining me. And we'll chat again next week.

Josh (01:04:56.814)
See you guys.

Fed (01:04:57.783)
See later.