Episode 121: Qatar Chat, and is there even an Off Season?

This week on Another Triathlon Podcast it is just Jenna-Caer and Josh on the mic, catching up on everything happening in the triathlon world. With only one major race left in the season, the big question now is simple. Who is actually going to make it to the T100 Qatar start line? Between illnesses, injuries, heat stress, travel fatigue and the tightest schedules we have ever seen, the final battle is shaping up to be unpredictable.

Jenna Caer and Josh break down the ripple effects of Dubai, the nonstop pro calendar, early season Ironman choices, the strategies athletes will use to lock in Kona and 70.3 Worlds slots, and how the T100 shake ups are pulling more pros into long course than ever. They also dive into the newest start lists, Taylor Knibb’s decision to pull the plug on Qatar, who benefits, and who suddenly has an opening for a top ten series finish.

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Highlights
 • Josh recovering from illness, podcast crossovers, and off season vibes
 • Why the pro offseason is disappearing with Qatar, New Zealand and Texas stacked so early
 • The strategy behind choosing races for Kona or Nice qualification
 • Early predictions on which big names will target New Zealand and Texas
 • The women’s T100 Qatar start list and why Taylor Knibb’s absence changes everything
 • Paula Findlay’s uncertain start and how that affects series rankings
 • Imogen Simmonds’ return, food poisoning, and the chaos at Laguna Phuket
 • Cozumel Ironman recap and Lisa Perter’s massive twenty minute win
 • Why pros are skipping late season Ironmans and saving effort for the Pro Series
 • T100’s new Spain location and what it means for 2025
 • Vancouver T100 preview and early sign ups
 • Indoor training season, treadmill grade myths, and winter survival
 • Gear talk, Bont shoes, custom insoles and a teaser for a DC Rainmaker episode
 • Race Ranger’s newest data and why drafting is finally being policed
 • Ironman’s retroactive Kona slot emails, the forty eight hour acceptance window and how it may impact women’s participation
 • Age group changes we want to see including elite waves and clearer racing dynamics

Quickfire
 • The races Jenna Caer and Josh are targeting next season
 • Indoor training preferences and music versus no music
 • The best and worst parts of winter prep
 • What they want to see Ironman implement before 2026

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Transcript

Jenna-Caer (00:01.125)
Welcome back to another Trathlon podcast brought to you by Mana Apparel. This week it's down to me and Josh chatting about everything going on in the Trathlon world. Unfortunately, Fede couldn't make it on this episode, but we are going to geek out on the races that happened this weekend and just chat a little bit about some Trathlon gossip and what to look ahead for. Cause we've got one more big race coming up. And I think the big question at this point is who's going to make it to that start line. But first we're going to jump in, say hi to the crew. Josh, how are you doing?

Josh (00:30.742)
I am doing better than I have been. That's for sure. I definitely had the illness and didn't lose my voice, but I had whatever has been going around. That seems like a lot of people have had. And that was kind of down and out since last Wednesday or Thursday and really bad Friday night. And got most of my energy back Saturday night, Sunday, and now just trying to kick the last of it away.

I am going to hopefully start working out again tomorrow. So it's actually been another additional forced time off and we're now into three weeks without running, two and a half weeks now. So legs are going to be fresh. We'll see if I can still jog a 5k Turkey Trot in two days. it was a doozy. I usually get sick once a year and that was it. But it was as hard as it's been.

happy for the relaxing time and work has been going really well. So I don't know if that's something that I should worry about or focus on not working and not training and all of sudden work picks up. had some really good conversations with some future partners that'll be announced in the near future. So I'm really excited about that and excited to eat a lot of good food in a couple of days. yeah, Jenna got to watch Jenna's episode on.

Stupid questions podcast and then just recorded mine as well. So that's going to be dropping. So the two of us were invited onto a different podcast, which was really neat. And, we've talked about doing interviews of ourselves on this app on this show, but now we don't even really have to do that. Go listen to Seth.

Jenna-Caer (02:06.085)
You know, like when we have some downtime and there's nothing going on in triathlon, we'll eventually introduce who we are to win a half years later. But I'm sure we'll get to that at some point. But yeah, it fun to be on the stupid questions podcast, but it was definitely a lot less of stuff I would talk about on here with like the journey and stuff. went into some things that, I don't typically talk about in the triathlon world. So.

It was, it was a fun one to do, but we still need to do our kind of catch-ups on how we got into Trathlon and what all that looked like and why we do a Trathlon podcast. I can't, we still haven't quite managed to get around to that. We keep finding things to chat about.

Josh (02:49.762)
Haven't done it yet, but it was a good reminder going on his show. And yeah, like you said, it didn't really talk much about the triathlon aspect of the journey as much as I did my life journey and how we all came to get together and things like that, but not so much the accolades and the things that we truly chase on our own personally, when it comes to swim, bike, run and marathon. So yeah, that episode will still come down the road. might be in.

Jenna-Caer (02:59.685)
Thank

Josh (03:18.712)
Might be this year off season type opportunity.

Jenna-Caer (03:20.953)
Yeah. I mean, we'll have a whole like two or three months till they're back racing again, which is an insane turnaround. If think about it from Qatar to Ironman New Zealand, T100 Qatar to Ironman New Zealand, that's not a lot of turnaround time. And even for 70.3 worlds, like the off season is just not a thing anymore, it looks like.

Josh (03:26.721)
you

Josh (03:43.668)
And, and Ironman New Zealand being like a pre-season world championship lineup on some aspects of this. So like literally the, the off season has now come down to how good can you plan your pro series races? And like, who do you think is going to go to this one? And who do you think is going to go to that one? And which one should I go?

After, because I might have a chance of getting my Kona slot, or I might have a chance of not finishing eight minutes back because Kat and Laura are there and Lucy's there. Like you have to have all of these factored in and, and the earlier somebody like a cat drops their schedule, then others will start to play theirs out. So it's almost going to become like one of those things where maybe people don't announce their schedules and it's like a catch 22 for Ironman. Like, well, now the pros aren't saying whether or not they're doing what races until they have to.

Jenna-Caer (04:14.105)
Right.

Jenna-Caer (04:34.69)
you

Josh (04:36.206)
we'll see how it plays out. It certainly makes it interesting and you get a lot more interest in, in where people end up and, and how many people are going to go do the New Zealand race. And that means others are going to be like, well, now I'm going to Texas this year. And I didn't think I was going to go to Texas this year. So that'll be an interesting piece right off the bat. Like who's going to do New Zealand. And if they're not in New Zealand, that means they're probably going to Texas. And if they're not going to Texas, where are they going? So,

Jenna-Caer (05:04.121)
You know what, bet we're gonna see the big names going to New Zealand and Texas. Take off the two Ironmans early, because they know they're planning on having a good result in Kona. So like, okay, just need to get good enough points. Good day in Kona. That takes the pro series. But I think the bigger question is where I'll be not kind of top tier, like the B plus level pros kind of go in there. Do you risk not getting the spot by going to New Zealand or Texas or wait until later in the year?

kind of risk if something goes wrong, you don't have the time for backup. So Trisha call out a few people this year like a Hayden Wild.

Josh (05:40.566)
Yeah, for sure. Especially the 70.3 worlds. It'd be interesting to see, now that you mentioned people might do New Zealand and Texas, is there anyone that's going to do New Zealand, Oceanside, Texas and do all three? With Oceanside being earlier too.

Jenna-Caer (05:53.701)
Because there's that one in Australia. Yeah, I think they'll go like New Zealand. There's that one in Australia. What is it? They've got a 70.3 right afterwards. maybe that's it. Yeah. Yeah, I'll be curious to see, especially with like Oceanside is typically the season opener for the entire year. But at this point, we'll have already had a pro series in Iron Man, a pro series 70.3.

Josh (06:02.638)
you on.

Yeah. Yeah, we'll have to.

Jenna-Caer (06:21.283)
before Oceanside even kicks off, which is just insane to think about at this point. Like there really is no offseason for the pros right now.

Josh (06:30.478)
Yeah. So what it's so if we're looking at the, these first two ironmans are March 7th and April 18th. five weeks apart, right? Roughly five, six weeks apart there with Oceanside only three weeks after ironman, New Zealand, 70.3 Geylon is two weeks after ironman, New Zealand. So yeah, they'd be over there, but they'd be dropping a 70.3 rate again. Few weeks later.

Jenna-Caer (06:37.029)
Part seven, that is a f-

Jenna-Caer (06:53.977)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (07:00.052)
or traveling across the world and doing a 7.3 in Oceanside and then key training for Texas a month. No, not even three weeks later. Again, because Texas is early this year with April 18th. So that's a week early. So they moved everything up a week. looks like. So yeah, there's still only three weeks between Oceanside and in Texas. I thought we were going to have an extra week there, but no, don't. Auxen Provence is going to be another big one. That was a big one last year.

Jenna-Caer (07:15.801)
Yes.

Jenna-Caer (07:25.634)
And that is.

Yeah. all the Europeans for sure.

This year is gonna be absolutely insane. It's just, yeah, it's crazy to me how early it starts, but it's kinda nice this year. We're gonna have it end earlier too. Kona is gonna be the end-all, be-all, the way it should be, having the pro series crowned in Kona at the Ironman World Championships, and hopefully keep it interesting through the year so that it is unknown or not locked in until Kona this year. That'd be the ideal situation.

Josh (07:58.894)
That is going to be nice to finish in October for the Ironman Pro Series and have that play out. Yeah, just because of the amount of points, you're not going to really know until then just based on somebody needing that third Ironman, those points won't even be part of the system yet. Sometimes you can have somebody already have their full 70.3 points going into Worlds as well.

It'll be certainly interesting. We're to have to start looking at like who's already qualified for 70.3 worlds too, because if, if they're not, then the 70.3 pro series races might not be the way to do it. And then they're taking time away from the actual pro series and it all factors in like when you race and when you don't, cause there's only ocean side and and what is it? Penn state.

Jenna-Caer (08:32.483)
Yeah, that's been happening for a while now.

Josh (08:55.63)
Um, happy Valley in Pennsylvania that we have on the 70.3 side. And then I don't know if Boise is before or after the cutoff. Cause I know Lake Placid is usually kind of like that last week. Boise is a week after that. So that would be the, so there might only be two North America opportunities on the pro series for the 70.3, unless Boise is there before the cutoff.

Jenna-Caer (08:58.501)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (09:20.037)
Yeah, because I know usually like Iron Man Calgary 70.3 is the third weekend or last weekend in July kind of time frame that always goes for the next year. So if it's before.

Josh (09:28.81)
And Boise's died that last weekend in July 25th.

Jenna-Caer (09:32.631)
yeah then that would go for the following year.

Josh (09:35.342)
Yeah, so there's only two North American 70.3 pro series races with Oceanside and then Penn State.

Jenna-Caer (09:42.35)
Yeah, no, fair enough. But there are a bunch of other pro races that people, if they're not chasing the pro series, they can get their 70.3 world champ slot at. I'm sure we'll see a few of those being more interesting. But yeah, I guess that's the debate now. Like what, if you're on the cusp of that Kona qualification, that 70.3 world qualification, it's like, okay, do you try for the pro series and risk not getting that Kona spot? Which, you know, we didn't see a ton of people actually

Josh (10:07.342)
All

Jenna-Caer (10:12.067)
complete the three Iron Mans and the two 70.3s. Honestly, I thought it would be a lot more, yeah, than we actually.

Josh (10:18.478)
Especially on the female side, I think it was more on the female side that were ranked in the higher rankings than expected, right? Then usually you would see three and two, three and two, three and two, and it wasn't the case.

Jenna-Caer (10:32.067)
Yeah, and I think that's where we're going to see some people if they really kind of take advantage and just like even if you're not that like top 10 pro athlete, there's definitely room to get into that top 10 in the pro series. If you chase down the right races, if you go to a New Zealand or a Texas, then you're probably going to be bleeding points the entire time. But if you go to is it Sweden is later in the year, the race in August, there's an Ironman.

Josh (10:56.456)
There is, yeah, so Zellone, so that's 70.3, the Kalmar, yeah, in Sweden, which was that first one that was the crossover of the new age group rankings.

Jenna-Caer (11:03.363)
Yeah, something like sweet.

Jenna-Caer (11:09.719)
Yeah, totally. So if you do something like Sweden, then you've got a better chance of that Kona qualification because it is so close at that point, but kind of makes it tougher on the pro series if you wait to that point. And then if things don't go to plan, you're out of options.

Josh (11:24.142)
Yeah, August 15th to October 10th doesn't give you much time or leeway, but it does give you the opportunity to qualify for the current year. And it also is the following year, I guess, as well too. So another option there. Yeah, very interesting to see how it's all gonna play out. Cause I think there are a lot more eyes in this conversation is even happening because of everything that happened in Dubai and what's happened with the T100 and...

And more and more people we're hearing are starting to look at the pro series as opposed to just where they can go race and qualify. It's actually become a thing and people are like, wow, Kat Matthews is really rich in two years. And how do I get some of that?

Jenna-Caer (12:05.445)
It's been good for her. We've been like a Jackie Herring like she's probably she's made all this like tune grand through this thing too and it's just that consistency that durable consistent athlete that shows up and has solid results is really man it definitely is making a difference there and I think especially with the t100 switching things up to not having contracts anymore and they'll only be

Josh (12:12.405)
Fair.

Josh (12:18.976)
Yeah. Christian Hoganhog, two years in a row, third place. mean...

Jenna-Caer (12:32.771)
Was it four men's races, women's races, and then the grand final? So now you're not tied down to that. So I think we're going to see a lot more athletes kind of jumping into the longer course. Someone like we were talking about earlier, like a Paula Finley kind of thing, she wants to do an Ironman. She's probably not going to jump into the full pro series with three Ironmans in her first year kind of deal. But she can still do some of the T100 races not being under contract and try the Ironman. And if she qualifies, go to Kona. And it doesn't all

conflict or kind of come up against each other like we saw this year.

Josh (13:04.32)
I think like you mentioned Paula and we talked about this off the air before we started chatting and there's a number of things that we can go down that route on, but if she doesn't race in Doha at the grand final, that's going to impact what she does next year too, because it'll, it'll knock her out. If she doesn't race, it'll most likely knock her out of the first, first race top 10 next year. And.

Where does she sit in the, the challenger rankings and the rankings to fill in as a slot and. Right. Yeah. So if she doesn't race in Qatar, which it sounds like there's a very good chance that she's not going to based on the hip injury that she had going into Marbella, and whether or not she's ready to go. She's hopeful, from listening to their podcast and, but I don't think it's something that.

Jenna-Caer (13:39.307)
It's confusing.

Josh (14:01.198)
They're expecting much, but if she can start and finish that race, we, know just with her biking alone, her swim bike, she has a good day there. She can hold on to the run and maintain that top 10 spot, which really the battle in the women's field is all across the board. The men's is more like, right, the top's not so much a battle, um, but that seven through 12. And then again, like down in the 20s, 15 to 20, gets.

Interesting again, too, but those top ten spots are going to make it very interesting when we get to Qatar

Jenna-Caer (14:35.845)
Mm-hmm, and it's it's kind of fun on the women's side unlike the men's we Like there are three women that can actually win the series overall if they win they win Which makes it a lot more exciting to watch because yeah, it could be anyone's game at this point And there's definitely gonna be some battles further down the line Which actually kind of brings me to my what the F and they actually right before this and now it's the women's t100 start list

Josh (14:45.742)
Yep.

Jenna-Caer (15:01.997)
We got a little sneak peek of this from Tripoll She kind of put it out there, but my what the F is no Taylor Knibb at T100 Qatar. So it looks like whether it was either the Kona heat stress or just done for the season after an incredible performance at the 70.3 World Champs, she is pulling the plug on the T100 Qatar race. She hasn't, doesn't seem to have loved the series this year.

Josh (15:28.82)
No, and she's done what? Three races out of the five that she was supposed to do. certainly her and Paula are at three. And that's interesting too for Paula Finley. If she does show up, there's another person who's she could leapfrog or other people can drop a go ahead of. that would have an impact. We'd have to take a closer look at who is on that.

Jenna-Caer (15:49.795)
Yeah, that's true.

Josh (15:58.081)
start list that we were looking at earlier, but yeah, Taylor's just not really somebody who's interested in the T100 this year. And it doesn't sound like her agent is too worried about it either with everything that she's trying to tackle. And it's Kona. And how do I overcome those last three miles?

Jenna-Caer (16:22.009)
I am so happy she's not going to T100, like, just because I love Taylor Noob and she could have such an incredible season next year and it definitely seems like it's the time for her kind of take a step back and rest. That turnaround from what happened in Kona to racing 70.3 World Champs is definitely, I think...

long-term better for her dress and trathlon is a better sport with Taylor Nib in it with everything she has to offer. She's just entertaining to listen to but you really see that high performance too.

Josh (16:54.038)
And you wonder too, because Marbella wasn't hot by any means. It was actually almost pristine, Perfect conditions for racing and the ideal running temperatures that we talk about when it comes to world champs. So.

Jenna-Caer (16:58.147)
So, yeah.

Josh (17:09.546)
In order for her to recover from Kona, wasn't, Lucy, not as much of an issue going to Marbella. But when you go to Qatar, the heat and everything that's going to factor in there, and we all know, look at Emma Pallott Brown. mean, every time she touches a tarmac with heat on it, it's a concern. So the repetitiveness of that injury.

is something that you have to be more concerned about and you wonder how big of a factor that is. And if this race was elsewhere in a better climate, not as warm, would this be the same decision that they would be making? Probably not would be my guess.

Jenna-Caer (17:34.415)
that exposure.

Jenna-Caer (17:52.25)
Yeah, so let's take a look at who's actually confirmed to be racing at this point or who should be on the start line. We got Kate Wah, Julie Duran, Lucy Charles Barclay, Ashley Gentle, Jessica Lierman, Lucy Byrom, Hannah Berry, Paula Finley, Taylor Spivey, Ellie Salthaus, Lisa Pritterer, Holly Lawrence, Hannah DeBette, India Lee, Grace Beck, Georgia Taylor Brown, Sarah Peresala, Carolyn Pohl, Leanna Bisig, Megan McDonald, Lizzie Rayner, Els Bisser, Marlene DeBauer,

Kydee Kivocha, Dee Dee Dredricks, and Imogen Simmons. That was another interesting one. We didn't see Imogen Simmons back racing this weekend in, was it Phuket she was supposed to jump into? The kind of long awaited return, it sounds like she got some food poisoning right beforehand and didn't end up racing.

Josh (18:32.397)
Yeah.

Josh (18:39.436)
So yeah, I was wondering to see what happened with her results. And then it was the Georgia Taylor Brown show again, as, expected. but it would have been interesting to see Imogen going into this race and it like, you want to talk about somebody with, fresh legs. So I, I threw out a comment then saying, what if Imogen wins? mean, that's exactly what the T100 does not want to deal with right now.

Jenna-Caer (19:01.125)
Oh my goodness. Yeah, let's take a look at, usually we don't talk about those races, but the Laguna Phuket race has, I love that race so, so much. I did it a couple, couple of years ago now and I'm planning on going back next year to do it again, or at least to do the duathlon because that water is kind of nasty. But.

Josh (19:18.988)
Yeah, like what races does it have for age groupers to do?

Jenna-Caer (19:23.395)
Yeah, I'm not entirely sure. know they have like they've got an odd distance. It's not quite Olympic distance race. They also have the duathlon. I think they might have a sprint as well. But last time I did the duathlon because I just love to suffer with the duathlon. It's so good. And again, the water is really weird because it goes from saltwater and then you run over into freshwater. And so that like changeover people find really, really tough. And then the bike course is kind of

Josh (19:38.168)
Now...

Josh (19:49.121)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (19:54.274)
it it's flat-ish rolling for most of it but then the last few k you get like this monster climb with crazy pitches that just makes the legs burn but more than you know so there's this one hill where you're like going up and you kind of go around this corner thinking you're hitting the crest of the hill and it goes up even steeper and you're just like my god

I went down there and I was training with some friends that train with the Juergen Zach crew down there. He's like a staple of that place. And we did like a training ride up that thing and I just come in kind of jet lagged, not used to the heat at all. It's also super hot and humid, which adds more fun. But I thought I was going to die on this climb. We didn't do the whole lead in.

Josh (20:36.014)
Jet lag buster, Jesus.

Jenna-Caer (20:38.613)
my god, I was like terrified of this race after that, but I already signed up and committed. But I was going the whole race, I played like the first three quarters way too easy because like that climb just hurt the first time I did it. It wasn't as bad on race day, but that was probably a lot of I took it way too easy on the bike going in. But

I was in the lead and had a decent lead, so I was kind of like, okay, I'm going to, know I can outrun them at the end, so I can take this a little bit easier and see what happens on the live. Yes. Trying to do it that way. But it's so fun. I got like a lead moto because it was during the draft on his first there. So I got a lead moto to, yeah.

Josh (21:11.104)
Yeah, you were racing.

Thank

Jenna-Caer (21:22.149)
show me all the streets, but you go through these really cool little towns and stuff. They've got a ton of like school children on the side cheering you on and bands and it just the whole community kind of kind of comes out for this race. But the things to be prepared for.

the big hill and climb that is brutal in the heat and humidity. That second run gets incredibly hot. That's the only time I've ever had my quads threatened to cramp during a race. was, I can't remember how hot on the day, but yeah, it was absolutely insane. But they have the best one support on course, but they do a great after party. The award ceremony is actually a big outdoor banquet, tons of food, drinks, a big stage set up.

Josh (21:43.757)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (22:05.445)
they celebrate everyone like you're, yeah, the overall winner kind of thing, right? And they got music and like everyone just gets into the mood of it. So it's a really fun race to go out and do. Definitely do some heat prep because that is the hard part. But Phuket's amazing to visit. Once you're over there, it's so cheap. It's getting like $12 massages on the beach every day. And that's 12 bucks Canadian. So it's like pennies in American dollars.

Josh (22:08.023)
That's amazing.

Jenna-Caer (22:35.011)
But yeah, that's definitely been one of my favorite races to go to.

Josh (22:38.51)
And there's a ton of people that do it, right? It's one of the largest triathlons there is in the world too, I think. Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (22:41.899)
It's massive. Yeah, tons of expats, tons of people from all over the place and stuff. Yeah, I'll be meeting a bunch of friends that I met through MX like years ago. They do it every year and train over there. yeah, it's a really,

Josh (22:53.96)
Belinda was involved too this year at least I know and she's been going and doing the announcing and everything there too.

Jenna-Caer (22:57.134)
Yeah!

Jenna-Caer (23:00.965)
She is so much fun. Dangerous at an after party, so much fun.

Josh (23:05.678)
Especially in her birthday week too, apparently.

Jenna-Caer (23:10.17)
my goodness. No, I can imagine that was an absolute blast.

Josh (23:13.368)
Can't imagine.

Josh (23:17.548)
Yeah, and what a not a bad pro race either.

Jenna-Caer (23:21.517)
Yeah, there was actually some big names the year I did it. They didn't have too many, but we had Georgia Taylor Brown taking the win, Nicole Vanderkay in second, and Justine Gerard in third place. And then on the men's side, had Taylor Reid in first, Josh Ferris in second, and my goodness, Ross Disleve, Pevce, Pevce Stop. I got really good with the names in the T100. This one I'm just not sure.

Josh (23:47.054)
Yeah, the names got a little fishy because they were not recognizable almost like the men's field in Cozumel too.

Jenna-Caer (23:56.806)
Mm-hmm. Yeah, we had a bit of that and actually that's a good one. So Cosmel, there was not a ton of coverage in there, but that race we actually had like a fair few people show up to it. But I think the story of the weekend was Lisa Perter. Like she won by over 20 minutes in that race. Like it's kind of disappointing we didn't get to see her at the big races this year because she's absolutely fit and on form now. Just a little bit too late for the big ones.

Josh (24:14.229)
on. Yeah.

Josh (24:26.126)
And especially the long distance too. Like she has done very well at the full distance and has shown up obviously T100 was a surprise early in the year, but she certainly has the legs for the long full course and we'll see what 2026 brings.

Jenna-Caer (24:29.113)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (24:45.209)
Yeah, and she's only like 40 minutes behind the men's winner kind of deal. that's like definitely shows that she absolutely crushed it.

Josh (24:52.928)
and running away from like a Danny Lewis and some others with some good pedigree.

Jenna-Caer (24:58.501)
Absolutely. Yeah, we had Lisa Prudner in first, Sarah Svenske in second, Marta Lagonek in third, and like you said, Danielle Lewis in fourth. Yeah, we've gotten pretty used to having some of the pro coverage at the pro series races that now it's just not near as much fun watching the tracker.

Josh (25:09.794)
Yeah, Martha caught her at the end.

Jenna-Caer (25:22.917)
On the men's side we had Arthur Horso who used to be training partners with Sam Leto. Then we had Almog Elazary and Sebastian Norberg and Michael Sarsilla. Man, some tough names in there.

Josh (25:29.506)
Yep.

Josh (25:40.8)
and a bunch of DNFs and whether it was the heat or mechanicals or just illness and stuff. So it seems like it was Cosmellus. Cosmella usually is.

Jenna-Caer (25:50.426)
Man, this time of year is tough to do an Ironman after the championship season. know a people were trying to go and get those early Kona qualification spots, but again, like I see, I think we're seeing that shift a whole lot with the pro series. Cause before you'd have a bunch of the big names show up after Kona, tick the box, get their Kona spots, but.

Now that they have to do three pro series ironmans to count towards the points, we're not seeing that anymore because it's just another extra ironman that they have to do on top of three next year anyways.

Josh (26:20.118)
Yeah. Like we saw Martin VanReele try and do it last year. Right. And that's when he had that crash and then the police investigation and, and then still almost made it all the way back. and then had to go to South Africa, to get his, his slot for niece this past year. So, we did not see that type of, top end of the point on this one, but, it was good to see, horse fell back and, and competing.

Jenna-Caer (26:26.373)
You're not supposed to have your hands up.

Jenna-Caer (26:31.525)
Crazy.

Josh (26:48.376)
the way he did, cause he's battled some injuries and sickness and stuff. So it was good to see him back. One of the first people I saw congratulated him was Sam Laidlaw and he's clearly stoked to see his, his boy back. And, that's, mean, if you can throw down a time like you do down there at that race, you're, you're, you're on good form and, and going into the next year, we'll see. But like you said, what's the next race that's capable that you're capable of doing and

How far down do you have to come before you go back up after a race like Cosmo?

Jenna-Caer (27:22.169)
My big question from Cosmel is how's Lisa Pritter gonna back it up, right? So we only have a couple weeks until the T100 in Qatar and she's just done an Ironman in a very solid time in there. She didn't jog around, although she could have jogged around to make that run. So I'm curious to see how she'll be able to back it up because the front end of that T100 Qatar race is gonna be fast and furious with having a few names able to win the overall series. They're gonna be battling it out for sure.

Josh (27:51.267)
Well, she already knows and she's one of those ones look that top 10 is in her sites without Taylor nib and potentially Paula Finley not showing up and she's sitting in 12th. Right. So by, by showing up and finishing gives her an opportunity. She's at 59 points and Taylor nibs at 90. So it would take a good day for her to get up there. but.

For sure, Paula Finley, she's only seven points behind her and seven points behind Taylor Spivey and 12 points behind Hannah Barry. there, there's some real big clusters of females in that six to 12, 13, 14 spot. And, and who shows up and has a good day is going to make a move there. so yeah, she might not be on form, but she needs to be in like top eight form and, and maybe.

Jenna-Caer (28:45.049)
Yeah, have a solid day.

Josh (28:45.954)
Maybe that's possible. And then the doms will hit after that.

Jenna-Caer (28:49.633)
Oof. I'm telling you, about long to short.

That is just so much more painful than you expect it to be, at least as an amateur. These pros are doing such high volume that Ironmans don't beat them up nearly as much as they do us. But be curious to see how she turns around. And then speaking of T100, they just announced too they're going to have a race in Spain, but in a new location. So it's going to be heading to Pamplona Navarra, Spain in May. Some early racing there, but that sounds like it's going to be a beautiful spot.

Josh (29:21.856)
Yeah, that was, that is, that is very true. We do not know if it's a male or female race now that we're, splitting up four and four, until we get to Qatar next year. We know all of them are going to be there, but, yeah, neat location. hopefully one that when they're announcing these now stick and they hold onto. So again, is that trust built there? Is it earned? And I think that's to be determined still.

Jenna-Caer (29:21.893)
We just don't know if it's in the correct place.

Jenna-Caer (29:49.19)
Well, speaking of T100 races you can count on, the T100 Vancouver registration isn't going to be open for a little while, but actually I can drop it in the show notes. I've got a sign up link for anyone who wants to sign up for the Vancouver race early. I can personally attest, I know the two race organizations running this race, so it will happen and it will be as incredible as last year. It was actually ranked the number one in customer satisfaction at that Vancouver race and...

I'm so bummed I didn't get to do it because it was absolutely spectacular. The location is incredible. And like I said, I know the team doing it and they are the ones who do all of the world championship events in Canada so they know how to make it stick, we'll say. So that one will absolutely happen.

Josh (30:34.566)
Yeah, that's a, it's a beautiful part of the world. definitely want to still get to, especially after getting the teaser being in the Pacific Northwest and being in Oregon this past year to race. So yeah, hopefully, get that one on my calendar at some point, just not. Yeah, just not this year. I started looking at flights for like London and Tokyo and, and these things, like all these things that I haven't touched my points on Delta with those are going to be gone in the next couple of days. Like, all right. So yeah.

Jenna-Caer (30:48.751)
Definitely come over to Vancouver.

Jenna-Caer (30:55.159)
Okay.

Jenna-Caer (31:03.96)
the trip.

Josh (31:03.97)
trying to find our way around the world next year.

Jenna-Caer (31:07.397)
Yeah, it's gonna be a bit of that. I need to figure out my own race calendar next year. I quite know what I'm gonna be doing there. The ones I've got, I think I'm gonna do Ironman Chattanooga so that I can do Nice two weeks later, Chattanooga, be in off season, go to Kona and enjoy Kona instead of racing it this year and then go back to, well, hopefully get the Kona qualification the following years.

Josh (31:29.934)
So Chattanooga is right before Nice Worlds. Is that what you're saying? So it's like, okay. At the end. Okay. So the same, that's right. Chattanooga is the same week as like the Berlin marathon, that end of September timeframe. Yeah. So yeah, you're going 70.3 into Ironman, which is doable. Especially knowing that this 70.3 Worlds is probably going to be similar to Marbella with the climbing on the bike and

Jenna-Caer (31:33.367)
No, he's first and then chatting yoga is like two weeks later. So

Jenna-Caer (31:43.784)
yeah. Good job.

Thank

Jenna-Caer (31:56.56)
Okay.

Josh (31:57.219)
Yeah, for you, it's great. For me, it's like, all right, I'll watch all the light guys go up the mountain and I'll be stuck behind and I'll fly down the mountain as much as I can and enjoy the run. And I think it's going to just be a big celebration and see what I can get out of myself for sure. But I'm going to be swimming a lot to make sure that swim is as easy as possible.

Jenna-Caer (32:19.577)
There we go, that's something I need to get back into. I'm finally back into training after like three weeks away. That whatever sickness I got coming back from Urvaya just like knocked me out for two weeks. It was brutal, lost my voice. I would try to spin at like 100 watts, kind of think my heart rate would be at 160. I'm like, no, okay, that's not the right call yet. But finally back this week and moving and just, my fitness has never been lower.

Josh (32:30.766)
Yeah.

Josh (32:44.462)
That's nuts. Yeah, I'm getting close to that point, but I'm still, I think I'm still okay and still happy on where I'm at. But like, I think my resting heart rate the other night was 82. Like, and it like, and you know how you like have like sleep stress scores now and like that was like normally zero minutes or two minutes or maybe eight minutes of sleep stress is a bad night. I had nine hours and 34 minutes of sleep stress. It like, it was not even like registered. was like,

Jenna-Caer (32:57.153)
Awesome.

Josh (33:13.23)
I woke up with a strain score higher than a number that I've had that entire week. Like it was just not a good night's sleep. So, but my wrestling heart rate has come back down, which I figured like off of, off of a sickness, sometimes it takes a while to come back. So I feel like I'll be okay. When I start running again and just, you start dealing with the parasympathetic and sympathetic and all that. like, it'll come back, but there's a lot of that.

Jenna-Caer (33:17.079)
that's brutal.

Josh (33:40.376)
drop off that you get after a big season and a big block and big race and things like that. it's all part of it and the fitness will come back a little quicker this time.

Jenna-Caer (33:50.106)
Yeah, see, I've got a race in nine weeks, so this is not ideal. Can I be bringing back the run volume? Less so intensity would bring back the run volume to get through there, but yeah, the fun, that's the thing with travel and life will always get into the way regardless. You know, even the pro athletes, we've seen that with sickness and stuff, but.

Josh (33:53.006)
Yes.

Josh (34:12.278)
Yeah, glad it happened when it happened though for both of us for the most part, right?

Jenna-Caer (34:16.261)
Yeah, no, it's definitely happy to be on the other side of it mostly. And to be able to talk again. It was of course the week I lose my voice. I had like five podcasts. I usually do one a week. Everyone wants to talk while I can barely talk.

Josh (34:21.442)
But.

Josh (34:29.486)
Yeah.

Josh (34:33.343)
In the middle of Dubai, I'm like Jenna. Come on. We gotta hop on the podcast. No can't do it guys like I can text you Yeah, the voice note was I should have said I definitely need to keep that voice note for later Jenna don't tell me you're sick. This is how you were before

Jenna-Caer (34:36.997)
I it voice call, yeah, no. Yeah, AI voice.

I'm

right? It has to be this level or worst. Not record. Man, that was great.

Josh (34:53.664)
Yeah. You, your training's changing already though, right? It's, I saw a few inches of snow in the backyard.

Jenna-Caer (35:02.605)
Yeah, we got almost a foot, I think, yesterday. So we had our first big, snowfall of the year. So definitely going to be a lot more indoor training. It's kind of, you can train outside in the cold. Like I'll usually go outside to like minus 10 if it's just kind of aerobic, easy stuff. it's just before I used to be like, so I'm hardcore. I'm going to go out there, train outside all the time, be badass kind of thing. I'm like...

But why? I don't have anything to prove to anyone. So sometimes you need that mental break to get outside if the weather is nice, but we're going into a streak of all the snow, crazy negative temperatures. And it's like, OK, that's when the treadmill just is way more effective than trying to take whenever you run in the snow, it's kind of like a step forward, half step back, step forward just because you're slipping around. So finding that balance.

Josh (35:55.969)
And it takes time to prepare to get outside and then take it all off and like warm up and shower. like, there's, there's a lot of goes into going outside at this time of the year. And to me, like you said, it's our time is very valuable and we've got a lot of other things going on as most age groupers. So yeah, it is okay to train inside, especially on the bike and the treadmill. obviously the, gotta get to the pool and we're not all rich enough to have our own.

Jenna-Caer (36:08.985)
Yes.

Josh (36:25.208)
pools or indoor pools or things like that. So swim spas. Sorry, Ben Hamilton. Yeah. Ben Knuten, you guys with your swim spas, but yeah, it's getting close to that here too.

Jenna-Caer (36:27.193)
Awesome, Spike.

Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (36:36.133)
I mean, if they want to. Yeah. And actually I just did a, an Instagram post. got a lot of attention. Okay. Here's the thing. I promise you it's okay to run at 0 % grade. You do not need to be at 1%. There is this big like thing that went around forever that you have to be at 1 % gradient when you're running on the treadmill to make it more similar to outside. But the thing with this is they were testing it on.

Josh (36:50.862)
you

Jenna-Caer (37:05.433)
very high level elite athletes who have impeccable form and resistance to break down, where most of us don't have that same resiliency or form. And if you have that treadmill constantly at 1%, it's like running up a false flat the entire time. And I find most amateur athletes, one of the biggest things they struggle with is

running form where as they fatigue they start to over stride, they start to heel strike and those are things are kind of the highest risk for injury when it comes to running. So if you're always at that 1 % that's a higher risk and it also just loads up your lower legs a lot more. And if you're doing three sports and already have tight quads or sitting around all day with tight hip flexors, it's just really you're much better off staying at 0%, keeping the cadence up.

and just making it a little less injury prone on the treadmill, especially because you're changing up enough going from running outside to running inside on the treadmill. You don't need to add more stress to it. So it's a really great tool for getting the training in. And I promise you, you do not need to run up 1 % all the time, period.

Josh (38:14.478)
I spent a lot of time at 0 % this marathon block in this season than I ever have, because I was always a 0.5 or a one. And this year was, there's no point. I mean, I can do it all at zero. And like you said, there's now plenty of studies around there that there is not much of a difference. And if anything, it might be more beneficial, especially if you're running the Chicago Marathon or the Berlin Marathon and some of these flatter courses where

Jenna-Caer (38:21.145)
This is a video.

Josh (38:43.566)
You actually need to train your muscles to be used to being on flat surfaces for a long extended periods of time. Cause you're not getting the up and down that you get in the reprieve between the hamstrings and the quads that some of the up and down courses will give you. So actually training at 0 % might be more beneficial than other races when you're, when you are talking about the flatter courses. So it was, it was an

Jenna-Caer (38:47.653)
You love fantasy.

Josh (39:08.96)
When you're on the borderline of pushing extra miles and volume is getting up there, why push it? Unless you have a specific hill workout, you're not doing 1 % anyways. You better be at 5%, 6%, 7 % if you're doing hill repeats and things like that. And in short, hill repeats. I think, yeah, 0 % for me has been a golden thing. I don't need any elevation on my treadmill.

Jenna-Caer (39:33.574)
And that like that being said so it's really good for the speed work when I'm doing like the long aerobic stuff and Yeah, lucky enough to have a treadmill that can go Negative positive incline and stuff so and it'll do rolling courses where it's up and down and kind of changes that so that's definitely On the more aerobic stuff that's ideal that you're not entirely locked in But yeah that just studied locked in incline the entire way. It's more trouble than it's worth and it's just uncomfortable

Josh (39:47.416)
Nice.

Jenna-Caer (40:02.361)
We do enough training and stuff that makes us uncomfortable and easy runs shouldn't be another stress there.

Josh (40:08.288)
Absolutely. And then I just put on something good podcast on the TV or Peloton class or something like that and zone out. And, I try and do as much of it without music. That's the other thing. Like we, we talk about that and as triathletes and try and do as much of it without music, even my, like it, it's still mind boggling to me how many athletes like you guys, I see out there cycling with earbuds. And I was like, I, that's just like, I

Jenna-Caer (40:14.117)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (40:37.194)
Second nature, like I would never think about it. And, but others, like for me, I sit on the TT bike for four hours with, with no music on and maybe, But, but come race day, it's a reward and you get all this noise going on around you and all these people going on around you. it's like, you're not looking for that, for that music to, back it up. And, and on a marathon, like I I'll put music on.

Jenna-Caer (40:46.245)
That's my worst nightmare.

Josh (41:04.064)
race day and that's a reward there too. And then you get the crowd noise. So I do recommend training as much as possible without music and, and, and headphones, at least get some couple like long sessions in so that you do get used to it because in triathlon, you can't be using it.

Jenna-Caer (41:21.455)
Well, and coaches definitely have different opinions at times because I recommend the exact opposite. Enjoy the training, make it a little bit easier. The mental toughness can come in other ways. But that's my own experience in there. Yeah, I find race day, it's just there's so much going on and enough to think about with fueling, stand pacing and stuff like that. I don't miss the music at all. But man, I would.

Josh (41:25.891)
Be happy.

Jenna-Caer (41:51.45)
Going training would be a lot harder to get started if I didn't have music or a TV show or something, depending on where I am, to go through with it.

Josh (42:00.323)
You don't like listening to the birds chirping in the virtual world?

Jenna-Caer (42:03.429)
Nope. No, no, no, no. Maybe it's my ADHD brain, but like that is my worst nightmare silence on a bike rider trainer or something like that. Nope. I can't even watch Zwift on there. Like I have Zwift running, but I have something on my TV because I just I need outside distractions in there. I would lose my mind.

Josh (42:07.406)
.

Kudos, high fives.

Josh (42:20.748)
Yeah.

Josh (42:25.678)
Yeah, no, more often than not, I am going to have something on the TV. But sometimes I'll forget or the or it's muted and I don't have the remote nearby or something like that. like, all right, well, I guess this is the real test day.

Jenna-Caer (42:39.525)
It never happened to me.

Josh (42:41.454)
Pause, stop, ride, get off, volume up. Find some arm and burn and pump that shit up.

Jenna-Caer (42:44.005)
Yeah, I like that. I'd like to make a way to make it better.

Jenna-Caer (42:52.357)
I have like a little sound system in my pain cave and like it's to the point my family doesn't complain anymore like crank up the the music or the movies or something to Get through it. But to be fair, it's about six months of indoor riding here. So Need to learn to not hate it

Josh (43:11.626)
Yeah, we're getting there ourselves. We've had some, definitely some cold mornings. So the snow's coming, I would imagine, but it's been a little bit warmer this week, which is nice, but, my bike's on the trainer. So once I start retraining, it's, it's downstairs and inside. Sorry, coach. doesn't matter if it's nice anymore. We're inside until, until the weather changes. Yeah. I'm not taking it back off again. I did, I did mold my molded my bonce shoes today. So those are.

Jenna-Caer (43:31.621)
It's locked in.

Jenna-Caer (43:35.461)
you

Jenna-Caer (43:40.11)
Oops.

Josh (43:40.781)
Those are ready to go with my Soul Star and Souls. So looking forward to some free watts there and see how those feel on the, on the bike. And I just got to get the cleats on correctly and make sure I get them measured up. yeah, I'm excited for some winter training. It seems like I've been outside and go, go, go. Like it just seems like September, October, November, just kind of flown by. it's like, it's almost December. It's crazy.

Jenna-Caer (44:05.687)
Yeah, no, I love those Mont shoes. I've got mine. I've got a couple pairs of them and stuff. They're definitely comfortable and narrow and all the stuff you need in there.

Josh (44:14.282)
I was working, I had him in the stove today. My wife's like, what are you baking?

Jenna-Caer (44:17.367)
It feels so weird to put it in there, right? This feels wrong, but they actually hold to your feet a little bit better. just, feels... my goodness. I did get, I've got custom made insoles. They're actually the specialized ones there, but it's really cool from my bike fitter. They actually have like this foot mold machine kind of thing.

Josh (44:22.158)
I took them out, put them on while I was working and sitting right here.

Josh (44:43.743)
out.

Jenna-Caer (44:44.631)
and they heat them and mold the insoles to your actual feet. I cannot go back anymore because this thing is like perfectly fitted to my arch and just keeps my foot in the right position, which reminds me I need to get a second pair for another pair of bike shoes here, but I just I'm so spoiled for it now. I cannot go back. Just being able to feel the power transfer with nothing like no flex in my foot like it did before. All those little things, little

Comfort things make a big difference when you're racing something like an Ironman where it just, so much time training and racing.

Josh (45:18.016)
Yeah, I'm looking forward to having these because I've had a decent pair of cycling shoes, but never something as good as these and then the insoles as well. So I'm looking forward to it. All this gear talk reminds me that we might be getting a special guest on soon to talk about some gear and different items. DC Raymaker has been talking to us. So we're hopefully coming up with a date to get him on. hopefully that'll be a different type of episode for everyone.

going into the holiday season, that would be really neat to hear what his take is on some of the equipment that he has been testing.

Jenna-Caer (45:50.211)
Man, there's so many goodies. There's so many goodies and gadgets and all the fun stuff in there.

Josh (45:53.526)
Yeah, don't tell your wife you're gonna listen to that episode. Don't tell your partner you're gonna listen to that episode.

Jenna-Caer (45:57.542)
See, I'm a triathlon coach, so honey, I need to get this stuff to build my business. Yeah. Right? There we go. Well, was there any? the other thing we're going to mention here was the the race ranger data. We saw race ranger data come out from the latest T100 race in Dubai amidst all the chaos there. But

Josh (46:02.863)
Yeah.

Got to tell my athletes what they spend their money on.

Josh (46:15.949)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (46:23.589)
I think the thing that really stands out with the latest release of data is it's working. Like it makes such a big difference when the data is actually out there kind of having that accountability and social pressure. We saw so much less drafting and so many kind of less time in and out of the zone than we ever have before. So what do you think? Should we start seeing this from Iron Man 2?

Josh (46:47.82)
I hope so. It definitely made a difference after like the initial release of the data. I mean, Vincent, Louie, like in Roth, like it was like off the chart and ever since then it's dropped off and even with a eight slash nine loop bike course, there still wasn't as much in Dubai at all either. just looking at the data quickly, it was hard to find anyone that you could point out. So yeah, it's definitely working. And I do hope that.

Jenna-Caer (46:55.493)
It's crossing the river,

Jenna-Caer (47:12.154)
Yes.

Josh (47:15.704)
There's no reason Ironman not to in the small number of pro series races that they would have to do it in.

Jenna-Caer (47:21.751)
Mm-hmm. I think it would be so good just to especially you're already at 12 meters and getting that draft advantage from there To just yeah get a little more clarity around it. You have it the data is there the information is there Yeah, I don't see why they wouldn't and Hopefully we'll see I'm hearing some rumblings about potentially some testing around the 20 meter rule from Iron Man. So fingers crossed we see

something like that so that we see 20 meters at Ironman because I think that shakes up a lot of things in these races. Like you'll always have the top people who are solid and it doesn't affect them whatsoever. But it could definitely change up some of the results, especially in the pro series, if we go to a 20 meter draft roll from 12. Because these flatter courses, I think it's a big difference. Like it really does.

Josh (48:04.928)
Yeah. Especially with the train. Like we shared Matthew Marquardt's post from the other day and it was like, yeah, position two is gaining some watts. Position three is gaining some watts. But if you have these trains of nine, 10 guys, it's substantial. Like they're literally sitting back there pedaling 20 to 25 watts less than the guy up front. Huge factor.

Jenna-Caer (48:11.716)
Yes.

Jenna-Caer (48:23.865)
Mm-hmm. No, it's crazy. for sure. Although I will give our men some kudos. We've really seen a difference. Like, we're not seeing as much moto interference, so it's a lot more fair there. But yeah, I think with the speeds they're going these days with the technology, you need to have that 20-meter draft roll because 12 is, it's a massive advantage. don't...

They don't even need the testing to know it's a massive advantage. But when we asked us, Scott Drew about it earlier this year, they said there were no short-term plans for it. hopefully it sounds like there's some renewed interest in seeing what the difference actually is. And maybe we'll get there.

Josh (49:03.424)
I think with them, the, one of the things that we keep hearing is they don't want to do it for the pros and not the age groupers. And then it gets really difficult in the age group field to change that whole distance. But to me, it shouldn't. And I, I think ideally we see it in the pro field. We see a age group. want to qualify for world championships, mass starter, some type of starting corral, and then everybody else age group goes and does their own thing.

Maybe those elite age groupers that are chasing something and the pros have the 20 meter. And then it becomes a little bit easier to police. And then from there we figure it out. that would be, to me, that would be ideal. And hey, if it costs an extra $50 to sign up and be in that elite wave, you're going to Kona anyway. So it's an extra 50 bucks.

Jenna-Caer (49:48.218)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (49:53.958)
Man, it'd be so much fun. then you're actually, you actually know who you're racing against. Like I would love to see that field where it's elite age groupers. You all start at once when the gun goes kind of thing, because that's the like, man, I've lost out on wins because I thought I was racing at Smarks. I had another race coming up, but then ended up losing by seven seconds because I missed someone on the course. It's like, Yeah, exactly. Yeah. So you definitely, I should race right till the end, but.

Josh (50:04.238)
Yep.

Josh (50:12.662)
Yeah, and you don't always have 20 team members on the course or people out there cheering for you.

Jenna-Caer (50:22.923)
it would be nice to know who's around you and just have an idea of positioning where you are because at this point really you never know right and it's more I find it a lot of fun racing the people on the course opposed to just kind of doing my own thing. find it lot more engaging and motivating when there's people around you.

Josh (50:40.622)
Yeah, it was neat. It was also one more kudos to Ironman. was nice to see the emails did go out last week and people got their retroactive Kona slots and then they had 48 hours to make a decision and make the payment because it's not small. was almost $1,900 of US dollars to secure your slot, but notifications went out end of last week and they had 48 hours. So not bad.

Jenna-Caer (50:47.278)
Yes!

Josh (51:09.122)
compared to when they made the announcement and about a week later, they were able to get all those emails out and we had a few of the people that had been following our account reach out and share those emails with us. So thank you to you guys and congrats for getting in.

Jenna-Caer (51:19.961)
Yeah, that is the cause.

Yeah, and you know what, that kind of brings something to mind. So Iron Man recognized that one of the barriers to more women accepting their Kona spots was just not having the time and space to kind of make a plan for it, right? I wonder if that's something they ever look at doing in the future where it is a situation of you don't have to take the spot right at the roll down where you get an email and you have that 48 hours to accept it or not, because I think that could definitely make a difference.

To be fair, there is a lot of fun and energy and excitement of being in that room and having to jump up and yell and you're just like nervous that they won't hear you say, I'm taking my slot kind of thing. That's a really, really cool experience. But I think that's something that would increase at least the female participation or acceptance of those slots because it's all the things they mentioned. Lots of times the men are more likely to just say, screw it, I'm signing up. I'll figure it out later. And women are more likely to...

to have traditionally important.

Josh (52:21.39)
Yeah. And, and stick around a whole nother day, right? I mean, it's in the full distance, you're a full night extra. And yeah, you're probably not finishing till later in the evening anyways, but if you're qualifying for Kona, you, there's a chance that you could hop on a plane and get home that night. Or if you live within driving distance that you could get out of there and get back in and they're hearing that from the females that they need to be back to their families. And there's all these different reasons and not being able to decide $2,000 plus a trip.

to Hawaii and all these things like, I financially, does that make sense? And on the spot. So yeah, that would be interesting to see if anything ever gets there. I'm glad they did give them time to think about it on an email.

Jenna-Caer (52:52.485)
you

Jenna-Caer (53:02.717)
Yeah, my, could you imagine if that went to spam and you see it like three days later? my goodness.

Josh (53:06.446)
It's like you have two hours to secure your spot. That's the way it is at the Peloton studios in New York. You have two hours to confirm if you get off the wait list. I was like, half the time I probably missed that email.

Jenna-Caer (53:15.246)
Ha ha.

Yeah, I just one time I almost missed going to Kona one time because I did it was Iron Man Chattanooga the last time I did it and with my flight timing

It was a race where they had like the Kona spots and they had some extra women for tri slots. And basically I had to get one of the regular slots because they do the women for tri slots at the end. I wouldn't make my flight if I stayed around for the women for tri. So I had to get a normal spot or else I wasn't going to Kona because I had to get back for a project. So it definitely makes it, yeah, it make it a lot easier to schedule the next day.

Josh (53:50.382)
Yeah.

Josh (53:54.019)
Yeah. Well, it's, starting to work. You can definitely see more females qualified. I think there was like one age group where like all four or four or four or five of the girls on the podium qualified. So, and that was down in, in Cosmo. So yeah, it's, it's certainly, making a difference with the performance roll downs now on, the female side.

Jenna-Caer (54:05.986)
Wow. Yep.

Jenna-Caer (54:16.909)
Awesome. Well, we will definitely keep our eyes on that. And we know Iron Man is as well, looking at what those changes mean. But Josh, is there anything else going on in the triathlon world that you wanted to chat about before we go?

Josh (54:28.384)
No, it's amazing that we made it to 55 minutes or so.

Jenna-Caer (54:30.277)
I don't know. Next to no race results is still always so to look out on. Awesome.

Josh (54:38.562)
Well, have a good weekend and I'm going to go eat some turkey.

Jenna-Caer (54:42.553)
Perfect, sounds good, have a good one.

Josh (54:44.631)
All see you.