Episode 124: T100 Qatar finale, the Triathlon World Tour news, and Ironman draft zone testing

This week on Another Triathlon Podcast, Jenna Caer, Josh, and Fede break down the final T100 race in Qatar, what the results mean for the series standings, and why 2026 is already shaping up to be a chaos calendar for the best athletes in the sport. The crew also reacts in real time to Ironman’s breaking news about comprehensive draft zone testing with Race Ranger, and digs into the bigger question behind it, are we finally about to see pro racing get the spacing it deserves.

We also hit the ripple effects of Alex Yee’s ridiculous marathon jump, what that means for LA 2028, and why the future of short course and middle distance might be heading toward a full rebrand under a new “Triathlon World Tour” umbrella.

Highlights
 • T100 Qatar recap, Hayden Wild wins again, Morgan Pearson second, Marten Van Riel third
 • Jelle Geens has an off day after a huge travel stretch, and what that says about backing up worlds
 • Women’s race, Kate Waugh takes the win, Georgia Taylor Brown second, Julie Derron third
 • Lucy Charles Barclay fights through a tough day, and the fine margins that decide these races
 • Ashley Gentle racing through a heavy personal week, and the respect that deserves
 • What GTB’s late season run tells us about fueling, not fitness
 • Top 10 series standings and why invitations next year could change who shows up early season
 • 2026 T100 schedule talk, Gold Coast, Singapore, San Francisco, Vancouver, Dubai, plus another long season to Qatar
 • Alex Yee’s 2:06 marathon and the future Olympic triangle, swim speed, bike dynamics, and what comes next
 • PTO and World Triathlon announce the Triathlon World Tour for 2027, and the T50 question
 • Ironman draft zone testing in Tucson with Race Ranger and Mark Gravlin, 12 vs 16 vs 20 metres, and what comes next
 • Off season side quest, the new Ineos kit, and why cycling brands love a loud pivot

Quickfire Q and A
 • Who looks untouchable right now in T100 racing, the crew agrees Hayden Wild is forcing everyone to level up
 • What is the biggest limiter for Olympic athletes coming back from a marathon block, swim speed, and the ability to make the front group
 • What do we want from the future of triathlon growth, fewer paywalls, better broadcasts, and more ways for new athletes to enter the sport
 • What draft zone change do we actually want, longer spacing at the biggest races, especially championship level events

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Transcript

Jenna-Caer (00:00.991)
Welcome back to another Trathlon Podcast brought to you by Mana Apparel. As always, we're going to be catching up on what's going on with the Trathlon world. I'm Jenna Sayre and joined by Josh and Fede. This week, we're definitely going to jump into the T100 guitar race, the results there, the overall series and what that means for next year. And perfect timing. Just before we jumped on here, we had some breaking news from Ironman that...

Might not surprise some people if you're super into the industry, but it's some great news that I know we've all been looking forward to that will hopefully lead to some changes within the professional racing. But before that, we are going to catch up with the crew and see what's going on with them. Let's get started with Fed. How are you doing these days?

Fed (00:41.955)
Yeah, hey guys. Good, everything's going well. I'm about to go for a run after we record this. yeah, things are going well. The training's going okay.

haven't been to the pool as much as I would like to admit, which, you know, I think I blame it on December and the December weather. So, yeah, all good and looking to to to put together my race calendar for next year. So hopefully there'll be some news with me and racing soon. And yeah.

Jenna-Caer (01:03.435)
feel you there.

Fed (01:24.193)
So yeah, just enjoying the December weather, doing some Christmas shopping and yeah, that's what's been going on with me. What about you guys?

Josh (01:34.422)
We need Fed to do the double with me. Join Jen and I and Nice and then hop on over to Berlin a couple of weeks later. So there's a chance that Fed's going to join the same charity team that I'm doing for Berlin. So they've got some openings still. If anyone wants to jump in, send me a DM. Really cool organization out of the UK. Get going with kids or get kids going. I think I talked about it on the podcast last week, but damn it.

Fed (01:40.836)
Yeah.

Josh (02:04.308)
Opposite to Fed, I've been swimming too much. I think I swam 13K in the last four days, last five days. So it's been a lot of swimming to build the aerobic base without upping the miles on the run during this Tokyo training period. So I'm just over like in the mid 20s run mileage wise and slowly building that. And if we get to sub three shape, we get sub three shape. If not, we're going to have a great season.

base build by March 1st when Tokyo takes place and not overdo it, not get injured early by trying to go crazy and up in the miles. So lots of swimming that's going to start ramping down. been doing like I'm on a two week stretch of doing core every day. I've been doing strength training more. like all of the off-season stuff you're supposed to do every year I'm finally doing. it's definitely making a difference and feeling better. think today, like my whoops said I had this, my

tied for my highest recovery score ever. So things are going well. and I'm really looking forward to starting to build up running. I'm getting antsy, cause I want to just run more. And I feel like I've had a pretty good rehab, and recovery period from New York and the half marathon I did. so it looks like it's all there. Heart rate starting to come down and yeah, just really looking forward to running a bunch of races next year, traveling around and.

I just booked my last flight of the year to jump to the next status. I'm literally going down and back to JFK in a few hours. And on the same day, was like, I'll be back in time to train in the afternoon. But with the amount of flying I'm doing next year and being 300 points away from that status jump, was like, it was a no brainer. Found a cheap flight to New York and back and that'll do the trick.

Jenna-Caer (04:00.289)
Perfect, there you go, got it set up.

Josh (04:02.062)
All the tips of the trade. We'll see how the flying goes next year, but yeah, it's been a good year and just really grateful for all the opportunities we've had as a podcast and everything that we've been in tune with and spending time with these guys in person. And now looking forward to a bigger year and being not just another triathlon podcast, but actually being the crew that knows what they're talking about.

Fed (04:29.401)
Ha.

Jenna-Caer (04:29.833)
There we go. like it. Getting started with the New Year's resolutions already. And that's definitely part of the plan to make the podcast bigger and better next year. Lots more appearing at races, more access to athletes and do some fun stuff along the way, I'm sure.

Josh (04:44.45)
Yeah, absolutely. hopefully Jenna can make it back home tonight because it sounds like it was a struggle to get to the office today.

Jenna-Caer (04:53.923)
my goodness, we are in the middle of a snowstorm. It wasn't too bad as I started driving to my office and then it got progressively worse and worse and worse. So yeah, I'll be sticking around here for a while and hoping it clears up because it is nasty outside here. Gotta love Canada in the winter. Definitely not training outside at the moment, but I've got some new motivation behind my training now, which always makes it a little bit easier to get in. I finally got

an update on the race in Qatar that's happening in like, well, I'll be flying out in a month now. I was starting to think this thing wasn't going to happen because it was two months ago. They asked for my details to like book flights. There's still no information on the race on the website other than what the overall distances are. And I still don't know a ton about it, but they sent me a flight ticket. So at least I'm headed to Qatar for this kind of cool race that's like.

swim, mountain bike, run, kayak, mountain bike, run. Now I'm not getting any kayak time in because well, I don't want to stand outside right now and it's a little hard to break through the ice, but getting a lot of run timing. Cause it's definitely a longer run portion. It's going to be, I think 49 K of running. So I'll be doing a bit of an ultra in there, which will be fun paired with some mountain biking. But yeah, we'll see if I get more details. But as of right now, I'm going to Qatar.

Fed (06:01.347)
Yeah.

Josh (06:19.0)
You just won't be setting any kayak bike, kayak split records. I can't even say like bikes, but records. Yeah.

Fed (06:23.343)
Yeah, I know.

Jenna-Caer (06:24.065)
Yeah. I won't be setting any swim records either because the pool has definitely been the hardest one to drag myself in via the snow and not knowing if the race would happen or not. But funny story, they sent me the tickets and the tickets had me landing in Qatar maybe like 14 hours before the race start the day before and then heading out the next day. And then like a day later they sent me another email.

you know, it's a flexible ticket if you want to come in sooner.

Fed (06:56.099)
Yeah.

Josh (06:57.07)
I mean, it's only a 10 hour time zone difference, right?

Jenna-Caer (06:59.441)
Right? Like 30 hours of travel show up 14 hours before the race started. was looking at that. I'm like, my God, I'm not going to survive this. I'll fall asleep on the bike.

Josh (07:09.678)
And that's going like the opposite way. Like jet lag really gets you going that direction too.

Jenna-Caer (07:12.405)
Totally, yeah. So still don't know if they have on course support or where it is other than it's in Qatar. So we'll see. They bought me a plane ticket so I'm going there and we'll just roll with the adventure. And honestly that has been the best thing about this whole Traphon journey is just say yes to a bunch of things.

See what happens, half the time, don't quite know what's gonna go down and a little nerve-racking to travel to a different country by myself, but that's also the best experiences when you kind of get out of that comfort zone and yeah, just see what happens.

Josh (07:49.41)
You'll have to message our new friend, GTP, and see what she thought of Qatar and see if she's got any tips for you.

Jenna-Caer (07:53.62)
Yeah, definitely. Yeah, I'll have to get a chat with her, but she had an awesome result on this weekend. Turns out doing 22 races is a warm up, isn't it? For the T100 race. Speaking of which, let's jump into it. That's a perfect segue here. We had the T100 in Qatar. This was the final race in the race to Qatar for the T100. And we had some, I think one very much expected winner and the other one.

Josh (08:03.374)
Unbelievable.

Jenna-Caer (08:23.507)
I was a little surprised, but Fed, why don't you run us down what went on in Qatar?

Fed (08:30.094)
Yeah.

Yeah, let's start with the the men's with men's side this time and we had Obviously, well not obviously but it wasn't a surprise to have Hayden Wild taking the win he and what's surprising about Hayden is I saw a post of him saying that He doesn't think he hasn't tapped to his full bike power yet So that's a scary thought and his arrow his fast

Jenna-Caer (08:41.729)
I'm set free now.

Fed (09:00.845)
He has a lot of power on the bike and special well on the run obviously so and yeah Hayden took the win We had in second place from the US Morgan Pearson who always has a stellar run and

You know, the good and faithful Martin Van Riel running up the podium in third place. And I was watching the live stream and I heard Jan saying that nobody has an answer for Hayden at this point. And that's a scary thought because it reminded me of what, you know, back in the day, 2010, 2011, 2012, Javier Gomez was, the Brownlee brothers were, and then Jan on the long distance. Like nobody had an answer for

guys so maybe we're we're gonna start seed domination from Hayden over the t100 distance 70.3 and and hey maybe he maybe he becomes next gold medalist come come LA

Jenna-Caer (10:03.841)
Definitely. Yeah, and you know what? I know I was hoping Jelle Geens would be able to back it up in there and he just didn't have a great day, which sounds like he did a ton of travel after the 70.3 World Championships, heading back to Australia, his time with the family and then heading out again. Yeah, I imagine it's pretty hard to turn around from winning the World Championships, the goal you've had all year to try to get excited to race in December.

Fed (10:26.575)
Yeah.

Josh (10:27.118)
You don't see yellow without the run legs too often. Like even in a bad race for him, it's typically been, okay, well I'll finish strong in the run. And he literally dropped spots on the run and fell backwards, which we haven't seen. This is the first time he's not been on the podium at a T 100 race, except for his DNF in Singapore. And that we know is a DNF central for a lot of people. Um, so yeah, it's the first time he hasn't been on the podium and that just shows like, look,

Jenna-Caer (10:44.309)
Yeah, which is...

Josh (10:55.468)
You, you get up that high and you, have such a great result and you back up and your repeat is 70.3 champion. You do all the travel like Jenna says, and it's just, and, there's a very small outside chance that you could get first overall in the series. And that was gone during the race. He knew that. And it's like, how do you push yourself and just internal motivation? Just it wasn't there. And he felt like he was off a little bit during the week and it just didn't have that same mindset.

going into it of that urgency. And we saw the same thing in federal get into it. We saw the same thing a little bit from Lucy Charles too. It was just like, it's not an easy thing to back up a few weeks later after 70.3 Worlds to come in and try and do that. And Lucy had something to fight for. She could have won overall. So she had a little bit more of a sense of urgency, but it just, the legs weren't there and both of them had some great run legs this season. So yeah.

Too bad for Yala, unfortunately. mean, look, he had a great season. He still was able to hold on to third in the series and he lost a little bit of money, not jumping up to the second step, but he did pretty good overall. And you know what though, like we talk about Hayden and for sure, think literally you put Dubai back to the way it was supposed to be and he does the laps correctly and he wins that one too. But that race introduced us to Morgan Pearson and how close he was getting.

Right. Cause he did actually win the event. This one, backed up. So if anyone had the best race and the best race weekend, I would say on the men's side, was certainly Morgan Pearson because he's now able to hold himself enough in the bike to let his run be a factor and to watch that live stream and have him go flying past a pack of four dudes who are typically on the podium in these races and not one of them being able to react. like my teeth tried to go. was like,

Jenna-Caer (12:46.954)
Okay.

Josh (12:49.902)
Of the four of them, Matisse was probably the last one I expected to go with him, but he did. Morgan threw down like a minute and a half faster than anyone else on his run split. Now put him neck and neck with Hayden, and I'm sure Hayden's running a minute and a half faster as well too, but Hayden's in zone two, three with these runs these days. mean, he gets out, he puts a gap out there. He's barely opening his mouth to breathe.

Jenna-Caer (12:53.075)
Yeah. You won for it.

Josh (13:20.074)
It is a different world, but I feel like if their dynamics can get catch up to him and push him on the run a little longer, we'll see how Hayden strategy plays out because when he's been tested throughout the end of a race, that's where things have broken down. And in these T 100 races, that hasn't happened. Like he's literally been out in front and just gone.

Fed (13:43.095)
Yeah, so.

Jenna-Caer (13:43.298)
Absolutely. that's when we see these kind of dominating performances. That's when we see a change in how the races are raced. They realize that they need to be stronger on the bike to be anywhere within range of Hayden to even have a chance, right? And he's just so strong backing up. So I have a feeling we're going to see a lot of the pro men working on that bike split over the winter, whether it's aerodynamics or just pure power. Definitely.

Fed (14:06.575)
Yeah, and like speaking about Morgan, he has been training a lot on the run, like his Strava, his Strava title for the race was last key session before Marathon Project. So this was probably his speed session. So imagine, imagine if he comes fresh, just training for a T100 race. I think he has the wrong talent to go.

Jenna-Caer (14:15.009)
Yeah.

Josh (14:21.614)
You

Jenna-Caer (14:22.352)
No.

Fed (14:36.249)
toe to toe with the likes of like Gjellar, Martin, Hayden and on a good day he can definitely take the win. exciting, exciting things to come for Morgan and yeah, let's see what this marathon project is.

Jenna-Caer (14:50.293)
Yeah, and Martin says that's really nice.

Josh (14:50.424)
I think, I mean, he's good buddies with, when I saw Morgan put up a post the other day and it was about the fact that he had now taken over the number one swim overall in PTO rankings and now has the number one run in PTO rankings. And the first person to comment on the whole thing, I think it was Joe Klecker, who's like a U S Olympian medal winning 10 K or five K or, and, has gotten into the half in the marathon distance and Morgan has run with him before. So.

Fed (15:00.6)
Mm.

Josh (15:18.254)
He's definitely getting into that running world. And I think after them seeing what Alex has done, they're trying to counteract that in preparation for LA 2028, because how the heck do you stay with Alex now on the run? If he's running that speed for a marathon distance and now he's going to come back and slow down and work on his speed work. How fast can you get?

Jenna-Caer (15:25.813)
it.

Jenna-Caer (15:41.504)
Yeah, and we actually missed chatting about that last weekend. So if you guys haven't heard Alexey ran a 206 and something engine run just which is absolutely insane. But the craziest part it was almost I think it was like six minutes faster than his previous run five or six minutes faster than he had done in this area than he had done in his last marathon. So that kind of jump is absolutely insane. And he went hard and was able to pick up pace at the end. So that's not

Fed (15:47.811)
Yeah, casual.

Josh (15:58.121)
minutes.

Jenna-Caer (16:10.169)
the maximum of his capacity either. So I think that has a lot of triathletes kind of thinking about what that's going to look like when he comes back to World Triathlon Series. Or will he? Like, that's kind of the question now, right? He's starting to see the success in running. I think it was one of the fastest British times on a marathon, not the fastest yet, but he's

Fed (16:28.121)
Second fastest.

Jenna-Caer (16:30.081)
like close to that in his second real go at it with a year of marathon training after like just focused on for on triathlon for so long and we keep hearing about how running has this boom and there's a lot more sponsorship money and stuff what do you guys think is there a chance that we see him go to running full time or like what's more of a pull getting that second individual gold medal for uh triathlon

or becoming the British record holder in the marathon competing at the Olympics there. Because I don't know if he can win at the Olympics.

Josh (17:04.071)
He can, he can do both, but the marathon will come after LA 2028. And I think he's still young enough and that is like peak marathon age when he's done there and like your early thirties to then really focus on it. And now he's proven to himself, look, I did this while still swimming and biking and, training as a triathlete. Not fully, but marathon was my focus.

Jenna-Caer (17:24.533)
Yeah.

Josh (17:31.055)
And he was able to run an average of three minutes per K and run his fastest 5K on the last 5K of the race. I mean, went sub sub 15 on the last 5K and ran away from the top British marathoner and Phil Sessman and other South Africans and East Africans. he was just so far fit. And, but he's already posted on his social.

Jenna-Caer (17:38.729)
I'm real.

Josh (18:00.974)
Uh, image of the man staring in the mirror and saying, wait, is that the triathlete in me? like, so he's already starting to hint that like he's, switching back to triathlon in LA 2028 is a big thing. And I think we're going to see that focus and you'll see him on the WTCS start lines next year or whatever we call those start lines. the world triathlon tour start lines. Um,

Jenna-Caer (18:24.341)
We'll get into that.

Fed (18:25.752)
I'm

Josh (18:30.318)
And yeah, I think his folk, could he technically do the double? Absolutely. But he's, he can't win both. could, he, he's never going to win the marathon. Um, and there's no way in heck you could train for a marathon and win the Olympic distance triathlon. Like if we were talking like Ironman distance, competitive, but even then it's like, you wouldn't be able to put the bike volume in.

Jenna-Caer (18:51.809)
Mm, it was.

Jenna-Caer (18:55.923)
Well, exactly. And the fatigue would just have so much impact on being able to get the right volume.

Josh (18:58.508)
Yeah. Yeah. Just not possible, but it's physically, he's physically capable of doing both events. It's just, they're, they're, they're far enough away, but it, I, my guess is LA 2028 Olympic triathlon defending champion and, trying to remind everyone that Hayden's good at the middle distance and he still owns the short distance.

Jenna-Caer (19:04.553)
Yeah, yeah, he absolutely could, but... yeah.

Jenna-Caer (19:21.557)
Fair. And then the other question is, do we think when he goes back to the Olympic distance, is he going to be right back in it or is that going to take some learning curve?

I think it's going to be a shock to the system getting back into the Olympic distance because the racing has changed a bit over this last year. And especially if you have Hayden Wild kind of jumping back in there with the Maddie Housers and stuff. And they've definitely started to push those swims even more off the front to get those gaps. So will Hayden Alex be left behind or will Alex have the bike volume and power and training in to bridge back up after that or hold on to Hayden? I'm so curious to see how goes when he gets back into the Olympic distance.

Josh (20:00.623)
I'd be more concerned about the swim. Like I think if you can hang in the swim, the bike gives you enough reprieve, but then they are going to have the breakaways, but he's got to get his swim speed back. And I think that's going to be the biggest concern because that's where I think the difference is coming in this new wave of racing in the Olympic distances. The breakaways in the swim are turning right into the breakaways in the bike and, Maddie, Maddie Hauser's gone. And now you add Morgan Pearson to that world and like, okay, Maddie and Morgan are gone and

Jenna-Caer (20:11.03)
Mm-hmm.

Josh (20:30.69)
wait, they can run. so Alex would never have a chance of catching up unless the swim comes around. And he talked about in his series, vamos for the marathon build, how important the swim was in everything he did leading into Paris. So that was already a hard piece of what he had to bridge the gap up to when he was doing just triathlon. Now he's taking it down a little bit and he has to bring it all the way back up. It's, it's going to be.

Jenna-Caer (20:31.872)
Yeah.

Josh (20:59.232)
A big focus of his, my guess would be the swim and then obviously the bike volume, on top of it, the run, he'd the run. can just literally go and do like a zone two jog.

Fed (21:11.279)
I think it's not going to be too hard for Alex to bounce back to Olympic distance racing. Yes, it's going to take a couple of races, but he's still got plenty of time to adjust. I think in LA 2028, we're going to see Alex, Hayden, Morgan, Maddy Hauser just...

competing for the gold medal and I think it's gonna be really exciting and just adding to what Josh was mentioning, yes, Alex has the physical ability to compete at both the triathlon event and the marathon. However, it takes that little bit extra to win those events. So I think it's gonna go all in towards LA 2028 for triathlon and then

I think we're gonna see the first triathlete to not go to Ironman racing first and then go, like he's gonna try to do a Gwen, just win gold and then try to win the marathon.

Jenna-Caer (22:18.101)
Go to Reading.

Josh (22:19.982)
So LA 2028 and then win the Boston Marathon the following April.

Fed (22:25.195)
Yes and then potentially compete for a medal at the 32 Olympics in Australia.

Jenna-Caer (22:28.096)
is right.

Jenna-Caer (22:32.383)
Yeah, no, would not be surprised at all. It's endless possibilities there. But it's just exciting to see that these triathletes are of such a high caliber in the individual sports that we have someone who is could like very realistically have the fastest British marathon time if he tries a few marathons kind of thing. So they're not just athletes who are okay at three sports, they're world class within their sports too.

Josh (22:59.554)
He's sticking to the T51.5.

Jenna-Caer (23:01.985)
you

Fed (23:02.775)
Yeah, yes.

Jenna-Caer (23:05.971)
or whatever that ends up being there. Well, let's get to the women's results here before we jump into all of that with the new series and some new announcements that T100 has brought up. So Fed, what happened on the women's side? We had the battle between the top three for the world championships.

Josh (23:08.046)
you

Fed (23:11.406)
Yep.

Fed (23:22.383)
Yeah, we had quite the battle and like you were mentioning before, saw Lucy just not being able to have the leg speed after 70.3 worlds and obviously when you have the likes of Kate Woff, GTB, Julie Duran, Ashley Gentle, I mean, you need to be on top of your game and you know, Kate Woff, it's becoming a weapon over this distance and she is getting better and better every single time. So...

Britain, the Great Britain Triathlon is in a really good place right now with the men and the women. So really happy for Kate taking the win. Then a friend of the podcast, Georgia Taylor Brown coming in second and Julie Deron, who's always, she's like the Martin Van Riel of middle distance racing. She's always on the podium no matter what. If she has a bad sleep, she's there. If she has a bad bike, she's there. So she's just super consistent and yeah.

Ellie Salt House with a fourth place, super solid, and then Lucy coming in fifth. And also surprising to see Ashley Gentle not having the best race, you know, when still a solid on the sixth place. But when you say Ashley Gentle, you expect her to see on top of the podium. yeah, it was incredible to see these women battling it out and just crazy to see how much.

Josh (24:50.574)
It was amazing. It was amazing that Ashley was even racing. and, and Lucy Byram too, the credit, fact that those two took the line was like a whole different level. But I mean, Ashley had just had a miscarriage, what a week, eight days, 10 days before the race and, had to fly there herself. And Josh wasn't around cause he was in Patagon man. And it's amazing that she was able to, take the line, um, and, and have the.

Jenna-Caer (24:55.125)
Yeah.

Josh (25:16.75)
that she still had and finish in the overall series the way she did. So kudos to Ashley and everything that she had been through and hopefully everything works out best for them if they're trying to plan a family in the future. yeah, it was some really interesting dynamics because we've never seen Julie Duran get out run either. And that happened. was like Georgia Taylor Brown was like, nope, Julie, sorry. It's my turn.

And we were talking about this before we hit record, but Georgia Taylor Brown was on her 22nd race of the year across multiple facets. And we had talked about it in our, in our interview with her, go back and listen to it. It's one of our most viewed interviews that we've done. And thankfully to her, because she's won a lot since we've done the interview with her. and, to see that run now, Kate Wall was struggling coming across that line. There was a, there was some.

Jenna-Caer (25:54.977)
distance is for us.

Josh (26:14.284)
some puke coming out and like she was cramping up and stomach wasn't holding and, and she got to that line and GTB was only what 20, 30 seconds back and, 20 seconds back and walked towards Dan. So technically maybe 10, 12 seconds back of her. Like that's, she was close. She was, she was one lap away from like totally taking the lead there. So, good thing they had the right lap counters out this time because those boards were serious.

Fed (26:22.575)
20 seconds.

Jenna-Caer (26:29.248)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (26:38.081)
think lot of that. And I think for a long time, we were kind of wondering like, but GTB is so good. She's been so good across super try across Olympic distance and this T 100. just wasn't really a factor at all. Right. And when we talked to her, she mentioned how fueling was the thing that she was really struggling to get right on a 70.3.

Fed (26:40.556)
haha

Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (27:01.397)
But between that result in Bahrain and then backing up here at the solid run, just goes to show fitness wasn't the problem. It was getting that fueling right. And she seems to have it dialed in now, which is a scary prospect for everyone next year for sure.

Fed (27:17.069)
We are her good luck charm.

Josh (27:17.07)
definitely and it's true.

Jenna-Caer (27:20.849)
I mean, she set a new record right after talking to us.

Josh (27:26.786)
These and definitely, took a turn for the better after that interview for sure. And, the other, so you speak about nutrition. was hard to watch Lucy Charles too. And it's like, how much did that factor and like, Yon's pointing out like that bottle is gone in the next like 500 meters or, or within this next lap, any bump in is like, how does that happen at that level? It's like, it's okay. You hear an age group where it was like, it popped out and like, we don't have all the tools and stuff.

Fed (27:52.503)
Hey, we don't want to say names, but something happened in Kodam this year to somebody.

Jenna-Caer (27:56.338)
Hahaha

Josh (28:02.926)
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You had all kinds of issues with the bike, but it's just, it's so hard to watch a pro who like that is there. They're so dialed in and as our age groupers these days, there's not much of a gap between that at the front end of the races, but to see it that early on in the bike and it's like, she must've hit it, obviously mounting the bike and knocked it off a little bit, but.

Fed (28:03.439)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (28:14.602)
you.

Josh (28:29.834)
And those races, they only have so much on their bikes with them. It's not like an Ironman where you have like all these extra bottles and you've got your needs, special needs and stuff. So I wonder how much of a factor that played into the race and you lose a hundred and something grams.

Jenna-Caer (28:39.681)
Yes.

Jenna-Caer (28:45.121)
Yeah, I heard she might have been sick going in like that week. So she's happy about it. So sounds like she wasn't feeling 100 % going in and that is a big ask on the body if you're not totally healthy.

Josh (28:47.522)
Yeah, that's true too.

Josh (28:55.318)
And now you're not getting electrolytes that you wanted.

Jenna-Caer (28:58.685)
Not a good combination. But yeah, you know what, gotta kudos to Kate Washi has absolutely exploded on the scene this year. And up to this point, we kind of hadn't seen her racing against the top women fully fit kind of, the kind of factors in either direction, whether it was conditions or other stuff they had going on, but she showed up on race day and it wasn't even insane weather either. She was just so strong and solid throughout that race and.

Josh (28:59.926)
No, no.

Jenna-Caer (29:22.721)
Yeah, Blue the Moy. So kudos to her. That was very, very cool to see. And she has taken to this middle distance racing exceptionally well. And that was the other thing. We had wild cards across the board taking the series. Like these weren't even contracted athletes. So that is really impressive.

Josh (29:36.288)
Out. Out. shots.

Yeah, it was a, it was a really, well executed event on both sides. I thought the coverage of it was great. Yon's Yon's awesome as always. And, I think T1 did as good of a job as they could with the product. It's, there's a lot of triathlon being pushed into the middle East in the coming years. And it just makes you wonder like, how the heck are we going to get fans there now, obviously with Ironman world champs, it's going to be a little different because you've got

Jenna-Caer (30:06.333)
It's... D.

Josh (30:11.15)
3,000 females and 3,000 men and their families and friends. And it'll have a bigger feel to it, but it'll be interesting to see how T100 is going to combat that and actually have people at these races for their, only world championship.

Jenna-Caer (30:27.585)
Like the coverage was good, but I don't know if it was just me or if you guys kind of heard it. Like Yeon is fantastic at what he does, but it almost seemed stilted without having a third voice in there. I don't know, something was off where it just wasn't as smooth or kind of the same commentary. Like when they have Vicky in there, her and Yeon play really well off each other. And it just, it felt like it was missing maybe one person in there. I don't know what you guys thought.

Josh (30:52.992)
Are you asking for Vicky or for Jack to come back?

Jenna-Caer (30:56.673)
I think they just need someone to fill it in there because like, Yann doesn't have any banter with that. it, who's the other guy Matt? Or I don't know. It just, it felt like there was just a lot more kind of dead points and just kind of stilted conversation. I think they need that, that third opinion to keep the conversation.

Josh (31:03.01)
Matt, yeah.

Josh (31:12.768)
I agree. Yeah. Yon was filling a lot of gaps in that coverage.

Jenna-Caer (31:15.445)
Mm-hmm, totally. Yeah, so you need some of energy.

Fed (31:15.779)
Yeah, he does an incredible job at it, Like he loves to banter, he's very knowledgeable and he knows the athletes and you can see the way he expresses himself both on the men's side and the women's side. He knows what he's talking about, so it's really good to have Jan and it's just a class act. He was a class act when he was racing and always a class act while on the other side of the microphone.

Jenna-Caer (31:30.539)
Thank

Jenna-Caer (31:45.25)
Yeah, so let's take a look. have the top 10 standings on the men's and women's side for the overall series in the race to Qatar. So keep in mind next year, the top 10 will be invited to do the first race of the season as next year they're moving away from contracts and going more towards invitations. So in the top 10, we've got on the men's side, Hidden Wild with a perfect score.

Jenna-Caer (32:15.203)
Tulin and Greg Barnaby on there. So they'll all be invited back. And then on the women's side, we've got Kate Waff, Julie Duran, Lucy Charles Barclay, Ashley Gentle, Jess Lermont, Ellie Salthaus, Georgia Taylor Brown, Taylor Nib, Lucy Byrom, and Holly Lawrence. Seriously impressive that Taylor Nib is still like within that top 10 with not having done the first and last group step of the year. Like, that is impressive.

Josh (32:38.348)
Only three races. Yeah.

Yeah, only three scores and she's still in the top 10. And I don't think we'll be seeing her in that first race next year either.

Jenna-Caer (32:51.635)
Yeah, and that's the question, right? Like there's obviously these athletes...

Josh (32:54.968)
that the women kick off in the Gold Coast in March. Like it's a quick turn around.

Jenna-Caer (33:00.127)
Yeah, and that's what I'm curious how many will actually pursue the series now because we have the Ironman Pro Series starting off basically around the same time, don't we, with New Zealand in March. So I think I just saw Kat Matthews posted like 80 days or something, is insane until the season starts again. So I know my question next year is just how much buy-in we're going to see from the pro athletes, especially with the Ironman Series.

Josh (33:09.804)
Yep. Yep.

Fed (33:11.215)
Mm-hmm.

Jenna-Caer (33:29.599)
Someone like Lucy Charles getting, and Taylor Nib, like just Kona is such a big draw for both of them. Like, are we gonna see them on the start line for that first T-100, or are they just gonna go straight into the Iron Man series?

Josh (33:42.645)
It's, mean, it's going to be interesting because of the way they lined it up to have the top 10 get an auto spot in that first race of the year. like that first race of the year might not be attractive to the pro athlete, right? Because that, like you said, typically has been a heavy focus for the Ironman qualification period.

Jenna-Caer (33:54.934)
Will it,

Josh (34:04.692)
And people are identifying Texas, they're identifying New Zealand and getting that long distance qualification race and pro series points out of the way early and, locked down and not have to worry about filling in another full distance Ironman before Kona. And it's going to be interesting to see who shows up in the Gold Coast for the females. And then the men are Singapore.

Jenna-Caer (34:30.337)
And that's right around our young Texas time too.

Josh (34:31.982)
And it's Texas and why would I want to go to Singapore? Cause I've seen the catastrophe that is. So it's going to be an opportunity for a lot of wild cards and in hot shots, whatever we end up with, whatever they end up calling them, but the contenders that come in and fill in the rankings, right?

Jenna-Caer (34:38.529)
it's

Jenna-Caer (34:50.537)
Yeah, definitely. So for the schedule for next year, what we have so far is on March 21st to 22nd, the Gold Coast will be a women's April 25th to 26th, the men get to enjoy Singapore once again. May 23rd, we've got Spain for the women. June 6th, we've got San Francisco for the men. July is going to be a WTCS race, not T100. August 18th, we've got, or sorry, August 15th, we've got the pro women in Vancouver.

September 19th French Riviera for the men and November 12th we've got the pro women in Dubai and unshockingly the race in Saudi Arabia will be a pro men racing sometime in November. I'm sure all the women wanted to go down there.

Fed (35:33.08)
Josh (35:36.728)
Yeah. Cover up and race. Some, some cool dry suits.

Jenna-Caer (35:40.353)
Oh god, could you imagine? But I hear they're gonna have like...

Fed (35:44.811)
Yeah, an omnius sponsor tries to just all rocks

Josh (35:49.233)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (35:50.754)
There we go. Go full speed suit to head to town there. So that'll be the T100 world tour for next year. So we're only missing the date for Saudi Arabia right now, sometime in November. And then we'll end off again in Qatar December 11th once again.

Josh (36:07.224)
Same weekend, yeah.

Jenna-Caer (36:08.575)
That is a long season from March to December is that is definitely going to take some planning between especially those who are kind of thinking about doing the Iron Man and jumping into the T100 series at the same time because at first like, yeah, the timing just lines up in the worst way for the first couple Iron Man races with these T100 races.

Josh (36:33.07)
And on top of that, you're going to have the Olympic qualifying cycle start in May. So now, now you've got the Alex Ys, the Hayden Wiles, K is, is K W going back to the Olympics? Probably a little less so on her end because she can make a ton of money doing what she wants, but we don't know yet for sure. Um, there's a lot of people that factored in this T 100 series that are going to be going after LA 2028. And how does that.

They've got a race in order to get points and get start lines.

Fed (37:00.836)
Which-

Fed (37:04.815)
For them, I reckon it's an easier, well, I don't want to say easier, but like a more gentle, gradual progression towards... exactly, because their qualifying process starts in May, so they can sort of like raise themselves into fitness with this. Sprinkle a couple T100 events here, another half Ironmans there, and then be race fit for...

Jenna-Caer (37:12.897)
We're a couple years.

Fed (37:32.271)
for the Olympic qualification process, but it's for those long distance athletes that they need to turn around things in March because Ironman New Zealand, it's looking like it's going to be a tough start and everybody seems to be wanting to go there. So it's going to be exciting.

Jenna-Caer (37:54.175)
Yeah, absolutely. And then.

Josh (37:55.609)
Well, the good thing is both calendars are out. Like everyone knows the calendar, right? So we're ahead of the game on the calendar and it sounds like the SuperDragon calendar is going to be coming out soon too. So a lot of the calendars that we've waited for are now going to be out much earlier.

Jenna-Caer (37:58.603)
test.

Jenna-Caer (38:10.977)
Yeah, so the other thing going on with T100 is they just had announcement come out that World Trathon and the PTO announced they're going to have basically a new umbrella property called the Trathon World Tour that'll be launching in 2027. So it sounds like loosely a merger is going to be happening between the two organizations.

with the goal of growing the sport down the line. So I don't know how much you guys read into this one, but it's really, from my perspective, I'm curious about what this will look like, like anything that's kind of pushing the sport forward and giving more investment into it.

is good. It sounds like they want to ramp up to doing a lot more races and doing something like we're talking about Josh, similar to Supertry where they're planning on buying up a of races to make a big kind of branded series similar to an Ironman but on the shorter distance courses. And then they're also going to have the T100 World Series but they're also going to start the WTCS is going to become the T50 World Championship Series.

And I think that's where a lot of people have questions on that T50. What do we think? Are they going to shorten the distance, which right now is 51.50, to T50 and make it a shorter swim, shorter bike kind of thing? Or do you think we're gonna have still Olympic distance just rebranded and I guess rounded down to T50? What do you guys think?

Josh (39:36.431)
I think it's going to stay T50. How they actually get there and is it technically T50 or is it stay 51.5? Now again, all of these distances have been arbitrary and made by brands. And over time, this is what it's supposed to be. And I think the PTO became the T100 because they wanted a different distance introduced at at hundred kilometers.

Fed (39:40.172)
Yes.

Josh (40:03.148)
When everything before that was 70.3 and 140.6 and then standard and in sprint standard has always been the distance in the Olympic. so it's going to be hard to change that and introduce additional distances within the Olympic realm as well. So, I think in the, the world that Sam Renouf lives in, ideally you would have a shorter Olympic swim and maybe a

Fed (40:31.064)
Mm.

Josh (40:32.334)
And then whatever other distances you end up adding to the Olympic cycle, but 51.5 is been where it's been for a long time. Um, and it took long enough to get it into the Olympics and now it's there and people are excited about it. It's the first medal.

This is going to take, these are all long games. Like we don't even have the true press release. The full press release isn't even out yet. There's still more to come on all of this. And we were able to extrapolate where we were from the announcement itself. And they clearly said more information is to come down the road. The one thing that, kind of caught me a little wary of it is again, this is a lot of coming from the investment side of things, the commercial side of things and, and

It looks like they're trying to grow the sport, but the message was about the money and the investments and the commercial partners side of it. And, being in the sport and being on the commercial side of things, we still talk about how we want to grow the sports through our mass participation model and growing and giving athletes a way into the learning the sport and, and, accessibility and, and getting them into it and continuing to keep them in it. And I don't talk about.

Fed (41:46.681)
second.

Josh (41:59.631)
Oh, well, we've got all of these numbers that back up our, your corporate partnership. It's let's get more people in the game and the more athletes that are racing and coming back and that's where it grows the sport. So that was the part of the message that kind of took me a little off. Um, and, I didn't appreciate as much from being in the sport because it has to be about the participants in the math and literally all of those commercial things, the endorsements for the pros and, their partnerships with brands come because they're

Fed (42:04.452)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (42:19.169)
Yeah.

Josh (42:28.332)
talking to the athletes that are participating at our level and getting into the sport. And we've had some good success at SuperTribe because of the number of first timers that we're bringing into the sport on the commercial side, but it's because we're bringing new people into it.

Fed (42:43.917)
Yeah, I agree. think, well, any business knows that for it to be profitable and to grow the key is N plus one client every single time. yes, it's cool to have investors and to grow the sport and have more partners and as Josh was saying, but I think they are forgetting the key factor of everything that it's a human factor, which is how many

new athletes you get to sign up. Ironman works because everybody wants to be an Ironman. Everybody wants to race where the pros are. It's not about... Yes, it's cool to have the reflector sun and to have more exposure for the sport, but in order... You want to see that the money is going where it needs to go.

Pay the pro athletes more, give bigger prices. Have something that the age groupers want to be involved with. Make a story with the brand, not just we're going to dump a bunch of money and have a bunch of races and see what happens. like honestly, nobody is going to be willing to go like, let's say if you have two races in California, everybody's going to go to sign up for Oceanside rather than the other X race that's happening in California.

So they need to have something more than just dumping a bunch of money and growing the sport quote unquote and need to consider that athletes want to be part of something bigger than themselves not just a race at a random place because that's not how you grow the sport in a way that it's sustainable and for the future.

Jenna-Caer (44:29.609)
Yeah, and I don't think a world championship in Qatar is something that motivates the average age group to be perfect. Hopefully when they do this, so when they first set out, they said they're going to kind of make racing more affordable. So hopefully that's something that they move back towards if they do try to promote this T50 kind of series or distance and make it a reasonable entry point for people.

Josh (44:53.13)
I mean, T25 too, the, mean, going all the way down to the sprint distance.

Jenna-Caer (44:57.535)
I mean, I'm all for cutting this one shorter to make it a T-50s.

Fed (45:00.139)
Yeah, 1k swim, 40k bike, 9k run. Perfect.

Jenna-Caer (45:05.995)
Perfect, love it. Don't change the bike. The one thing that did excite me about this though was seeing it sounds like they're going to kind of change how they do the broadcast, right? Like I'm a super fan, so I've got the World Trathlon subscription so I can watch all the Olympic distance racing, but I don't think unless you are a big fan of the sport, you're paying to see that. And so those athletes go underappreciated and it's not inspiring as many people as it could.

Fed (45:09.889)
Don't change the bike.

Jenna-Caer (45:35.34)
to get into the sport. I guess from initial understanding, it sounds like they are planning to broadcast those more openly like they do with the T100 have good coverage and T100 really does do great coverage. I'd say like it's not absolutely perfect, but they have definitely made everyone else raise their game to kind of showcase these races. And especially if that means bringing some of this Olympic distance racing to the general public, not having a paywall in front of it. I think that's definitely good for the growth of the sport in the future.

Josh (46:05.41)
Yeah, I think that's a, that is a big piece of it. And, and I think the overall idea is there and bringing a lot of these organizations together. And it sounds like they're all talking. Michael Dews from Supertry was there racing in the T 100 in Qatar and, and they're there, they're talking. And I know that conversations have happened between the T 100 and Ironman and Supertry and Ironman and, and then USAT and world triathlon. So.

Jenna-Caer (46:11.849)
Yeah.

Josh (46:34.85)
The gap though with the T 100 was this North America piece and there really isn't anything here. And, I think at the end of the day, there is going to be some type of ecosystem that has to talk to each other. And we've talked about this in the past. Like, do we, do we see a partnership between Ironman and T 100 and is, is this actually a separation of the two of them a little bit? Yes. But at the end of the day, we all have to keep

these athletes in the system. And it starts with the short course and getting new people in and whether that's with a relay or, or, or corporate fundraiser or some type of realm to get new athletes in and then give them a reason to go to Ironman or T 100, but come back and, and your local triathlon down the road where you've got the swim in a pool and things like that, aren't going to get people to come back year on year, because if they stay in the sport, they're going to out.

They're just going to get better than what they would do in a pool swim. So they're going to graduate from that level. And we need to have opportunities for them to not have to spend the time that they would spend training for an Ironman or a half Ironman or T 100, but still have that same type of world where they can go and compete in a festival environment and see the big brands and all of that, that you like to get and have it not cost an arm and a leg or 20 hours a week to train for.

Jenna-Caer (47:55.648)
Yeah, no, absolutely. Making it easy for people to get in. That's the old saying is a rising tide lifts all ships, so.

the more people who are involved in the sport at all levels, everyone wins, right? So hopefully some good things coming from there. And we are going to transition from the amateur side of the sport and the T100 over to our friends at Ironman. So there has been a debate for a long time over the distance that the pros should be in Ironman racing. So currently they're at 12 meters and that was a distance that was sent.

Fed (48:06.147)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (48:26.527)
back in the 1980s because the reflectors on the road in Kona were 12 meters apart. So was easy to tell the distance and where he needed to be. the tradition has held and the argument for the past few years has been that the bike technology, the speeds, everything is increasing so significantly so that you are still getting a fairly drastic draft benefit from even 12 meters. And we've seen that with T100. Like we see a big shift in the bike rate or bike portion of T100.

compared to those same athletes, Race Ironman, because they get a lot less of that draft. So just before we jumped onto the podcast here, we got a press release from Ironman that let us know that they're conducting comprehensive draft zone testing in coordination with Race Ranger and Mark Gravlin, who is an aerodynamics tester actually up here in Canada. what they're doing is, sounds like Josh, you had a few more details. They were doing some baseline testing earlier this year.

Josh (49:24.854)
Yeah. So it sounds like in June of this year, they did some baseline testing and that just kind of set the standard. And this is something that we've found out that they've been doing before. Like this type of testing has been done. This isn't the first. And we know that there's been a call for the change from 12 to 20 and, or, or just make a change from 12 and, and, and move it up with the speeds of the race now. But this is stuff that has been done before.

Um, there has been testing done, right now, as we speak and this week, they are in Tucson for round two of this year's testing. And there are six pro athletes there with race ranger and Mark Gravelin, who's got two different devices on the bikes, testing the aero aspects. And then you've got race ranger and all the bikes to keep them at 12 meters and then at 16 and then at 20. And they're doing multiple runs and

in different formations because of the different body sizes of the athletes as well. So athlete A will probably be in position one on the first test and then athlete A will be in position three on the next test and they'll move them around and see how that implicates things. So that is currently taking place in Tucson. We don't know if it's on a velodrome or on an open road or on an incline or whatever they may be doing.

Jenna-Caer (50:42.145)
Yeah, so it sounds like, we reached out to James at Race Ranger there to kind of get some more information. And what he said is that they're just being sure they put a lot of thought into this whole process and that they're doing it properly to make sure the data makes sense. And like you mentioned, they are working with Mark Gavlin and he's using aero sensors on each of the bikes, two of them on each bike, just to get rid of less chance for discrepancies for it.

If that's the way they're doing it, then they're going to be doing it on a, with that sensor, would be a flat road, like a long flat road, essentially. and then they'll try the different distances with the arrow sensors on there using race ranger to make sure that the athletes are staying the correct distance apart and using those arrow sensors on road for a real world aerodynamic testing. that's why I wanted to kind of ask him about that, because when you tried to do that kind of testing in the velodrome, the results aren't

quite the same just because you have the airflow, have the road conditions. It's a lot easier to just stare down at a blue line than it is to ride in outside conditions. it sounds like they're doing it as close to kind of real world conditions as they can at Ironman pacing and with all of the external factors involved as well. So yeah, cool to see that they're actually putting in the time and investment to see what the difference actually is.

Josh (51:37.645)
Yeah.

Josh (52:01.007)
Yeah. And it sounds like next steps for this and we're not going to have any changes from this testing this week in Tucson. So don't get your hopes ups to see 20 meters in New Zealand or 20 meters in Oceanside or anywhere else this year coming up, at least not early in the season. And I would imagine once they start the season, it's going to stay that for the entire season. it sounds like if anything, we would be looking at a change in distance in 2027, but

don't quote me on that. just know that they're going to be doing some live race testing to finalize what their results are going to look like and then announce at some point in 2026. So this will be used in racing, maybe starting in New Zealand and going from there. And they're going to start capturing some more data and then making a determination from there. And I think we all know it's not going to be 12.

Fed (52:55.095)
I really wish they'd it. I mean, if not for every single race, that they start doing it easier for the championship races or the big races like your Frankfurt's, your obviously Kona, 70.3 Worlds. I don't know, maybe start doing courses where it's easier to gauge the drafting like a flatter race. like a Texas, for example.

and then see what happens. But I would really, really, really wish that they can go forward with this for the major races.

Josh (53:33.452)
I think you're right. think if they could do it for 70.3 worlds in Nice and then Kona, think that would, that, that sounds viable, right?

Jenna-Caer (53:40.193)
Yeah, that's just especially a course like Kona, like that 12 meters makes a big difference because it's yeah, it's rolling but it's not rolling enough that you're out of aero atana and stuff and you're still gonna see a significant benefit at 12 meters.

Josh (53:54.115)
Sorry, Patrick Langev.

Fed (53:56.27)
show it to me.

Jenna-Caer (53:57.419)
No!

Fed (54:00.719)
I, I, I, do you guys remember there was a really cool press conference about the newly retired, rating Curry when, I think when I don't remember the year, but he, said something along the lines of yes. And Patrick had his blue Smurf help helping him out. talking about and did rides pulling him up with, on, on, on the bike course there.

Josh (54:18.562)
you

Jenna-Caer (54:22.625)
You

Jenna-Caer (54:26.753)
Oh my goodness, always fun to get a little gossip and insight there too. Yeah, all right. So yeah, it'll be it. And you know what? It's a market change from like even we had the conversation with Scott Drew. Was it earlier this year when we had him on there and they said, no, we're not planning on making any changes. I talked to him again at 70.3 Royals and he says there's no plans in the immediate future, but now they're really starting to...

Fed (54:31.055)
Yeah, that was cool.

Jenna-Caer (54:53.161)
test it out to see what the numbers actually say. And that's one thing I have to say I appreciate, appreciate about this new iteration, it feels like of Ironman, they're actually kind of listing and listening and saying, okay, people really want this, let's look at the numbers, let's look at the data, see if it really makes a difference, or if we should make some changes like they have with the world championship qualifications, and kind of going from that point. So it's not on thoughts and feelings and what if I like vibes, it's like, okay.

Let's put data to this and if it needs to be changed, let's make it change. Hopefully.

Josh (55:25.91)
Yeah, I think it's, and if you're in the Tucson area, they're there this week. So keep your eyes out for fast moving bikes on a straight road.

Jenna-Caer (55:35.417)
Absolutely. Well, was there anything else that was top of mind, guys?

Fed (55:39.503)
I just wanted to bring something up on the cycling world. Have you guys seen the new Ineos kit?

Josh (55:50.453)
No.

Jenna-Caer (55:51.169)
No.

Fed (55:52.483)
I don't know, we're going to probably show the picture to the viewers but take a look at that.

Jenna-Caer (55:55.573)
We're going to look up.

Josh (56:00.126)
my.

Fed (56:01.345)
Yes, exactly, it's orange.

Jenna-Caer (56:05.14)
my goodness.

Josh (56:07.118)
I did see one of those cam, I did see one of those cam war, any of those vehicles in front of me the other day on the road, which I thought was kind of neat. Like, man, those things are bad ass.

Fed (56:07.254)
So I don't know.

Jenna-Caer (56:18.495)
Yeah. Yeah, that is Psalms.

Fed (56:20.769)
the, what's it called? The Grandeur. Yeah, that's a cool vehicle.

Josh (56:24.654)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (56:29.043)
It's so funny, some these cycling sponsors, you hear the names over and over again, and I'm like, have no idea what that actually is. like, I know the name, I have zero clue what it does. So I don't know how much the advertising is doing. I could not tell you, or could not have told you that was a vehicle.

Fed (56:37.878)
Right.

Fed (56:46.903)
Yeah, but I don't know. What do you think about the color? Because they went from team sky of the black and blue, the Navy, and then the Ineos with the Navy and red, which I thought was awesome. But now it's orange and white.

Josh (56:46.936)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (57:04.915)
orange and white shorts.

Fed (57:07.009)
Yes.

Josh (57:08.842)
must have done some type of research or surveying around that that was the way to go.

Fed (57:13.059)
That was a orange is more arrow than navy, navy.

Jenna-Caer (57:13.493)
busy.

Josh (57:15.586)
Hahaha

Jenna-Caer (57:16.993)
They're saying it's designed to stand out. Well, it's very revealing. Some of these pictures. Oh my goodness. Well, you'll be able to find them in the Peloton. We will say that.

Fed (57:20.121)
It's definitely sending out.

Josh (57:23.598)
They had me can you test it?

Fed (57:32.394)
Yeah.

Josh (57:32.608)
Ha ha ha.

Jenna-Caer (57:34.91)
fair enough. Yeah, definitely looking forward to another season of Cycling Ahead too, because we always geek out on that a bit as well. Just loving the endurance sports all around.

Josh (57:44.478)
Absolutely. Well, it is officially off season and, hope everyone, yeah, no, keep, keep training because the season's only getting longer.

Jenna-Caer (57:49.137)
Not long til season.

Fed (57:56.559)
Yeah.

Jenna-Caer (57:56.596)
goodness, absolutely insane. Well, thank you as always guys for joining me. If you're listening to this, go check us out on YouTube at another Traflon podcast and definitely give us a follow on Instagram. Same deal at another Traflon podcast. And from there you can find all of our handles as well. We definitely wanted to use some more fun stuff with the audience traveling to more races next year. I've got a fancy microphone with our name on it. So that's how you know things are getting legit here.

Josh (58:22.018)
Yeah, stepping it up.

Jenna-Caer (58:24.353)
Absolutely. Well, until next time, we'll chat to you guys soon.

Fed (58:29.387)
Awesome.

Josh (58:29.389)
Have a good one.